What are the most common fights a person can get into outside the dojo and what is the most common type of attacker? What martial arts style is best used to defend against a person who uses weaponry or gang fights? And of coarse what is a well rounded fighting style that teaches striking, kicking, grappling ground fighting, etc.?
Most Common Street Fighting Situations?
Most common type of attack is usually one of 2 types the first is someone coming from behind you or giving you a sucker punch (sneaky dirty attack) or a full on attack. So awareness is key to any self defense situation.
Regarding martial arts styles that best suited to deal with weapons or gang fights...the answer is non...martial arts is a sport, it doesn%26#039;t teach you how to use your environment as weapons at your disposal and techniques can only be effective if all the variables of the situation are exactly in place which never is.
Here%26#039;s what I mean if you are fighting on the street where it%26#039;s wet and you have slippery leaves on the ground you will slip when performing kicks making you valnerable, also if you are fighting in a tight or confined close quarter area most techniques will be to hard to execute because martial arts tactics are performed in wide open spaces...opposite of where most attacks happen in.
A suggestion if you are dealing with an armed attacker control the arm that has the weapon is your first priority by controlling the elbow of the arm holding the weapon. If you are dealing with someone with a knife, block the knife thrusts with your outter forearms, never expose the inside wrists because you have major arteries there and will bleed heavily. Remeber you will get cut when dealing with a knife it%26#039;s not like in the movies and I have seen this in my years working a bouncer/bodyguard.
When dealing with groups of guys never get stuck in the middle of the group cause you won%26#039;t be able to defend yourself. When you see a group (2 man example) coming move to one side of them this forms a line %26quot;Line Theory%26quot;... immediately kick at your attacker%26#039;s shins who is in front of you and with the attacker who is furthest away from you move whenever he moves in the opposite direction this will maintain the line. Remember you are doing 2 things at once blocking and kicking and moving in the oppoisite direction when the attacker furthest away from you moves.
You have to take out the guy thats infront of you fast folow with stomping on the inside of his knee to drop him... also get him into the way of the other attacker so you use him as a shield...if there is an object such as a car or garbage can use those things to make a shield between you and your attackers.
P.S. To find out if you are dealing with a realistic system you can see if the ground tactics taught in the school lasts a long time on the ground if it does it%26#039;s sport based...on the street you don%26#039;t want to be on the ground for long because you never know if your attacker has buddies around waiting to stomp on you.
Reply:probably significant other. Pots, pans, knives, rope, cars, pillows. ninja style is probably most well rounded.
Reply:usually some big doof with something to prove. I liek to go for the solar plexus. Knock the wind out of him and he can%26#039;t move a muscle for a couple seconds. In that time, you can go to work on his stupid face.
Reply:In a street fight, the most common situation is you will end up on the ground. The two other scenarios are that the attacker has a knife (especially in England) or even a gun. There is no style that teaches specifically only weapon disarms, but I suggest learning some type of weapon style, in addition to Judo, ju-jitsu, wrestling, tae kwon doe, karate, or jeet kune doe. Basically the best plan is to focus on a weapon style, a ground style, a striking style, and to learn as many weapon disarms as you can.
Reply:freestyle karate is a good style thats well rounded, been studying it almost four years now and i love it.
i would say the most common type of attackers would be people who want something from you (money, phone, MP3 etc), drunks, people who are with friends and wanna prove there %26#039;tough%26#039;, people who already have a problem with you (like idiots at school or whatever) and obviously those assholes that target women.
although obviously the best thing to do in a gang situation would be to get out of there asap
Reply:The most common situations are when you are unprepared and in a less oportunistic position.
The most common type of attacker is the person whom feels they have a superior edge on you.
San Soo, BJJ, Submission Wrestling, Hisardut or Krav Maga, certain ways of Silat, Hwrang Do, Shim Gum Do, Combat Sambo are some of the best I know of. I am sure there is so many more,....
A well rounded style is Shen Wu
Tim Cartmell is a great martial artist.
10 years in China fighting and learning after earning his masters degree in San Soo here in the US, then to go on and earn a black belt in BJJ.
Reply:Bar fight closed in area, learn Jujitsu mixed with a hard karate style like Goju-Ryu or shorei ryu
Reply:the progressive fighting system is a form of jeet kun do founded by Paul vunak. i am a student of an instructor certified in pfs and its all about street fighting. if their is one i have learned in the streets and in training is no two fights are the same. iv ben in fights were it was so dark i couldn%26#039;t see my opponent, that is some scary ****. you don%26#039;t know if this guy has a knife or a stick or what the hell he is doing. i haven%26#039;t had a weapon pulled on me but fighting more than one person is always fun. pfs teaching a mix of fighting styles because the best art is to have no art. pfs also teaches weapons and how to defend against mass attack. the best advice i can give you about street fighting is be ready for anything and don%26#039;t rely on one martial art use what works at that time. Paul vunak has made some videos called the anatomy of street fight look for those and you will see i mean.pfs has a web site you can check out to.
Thursday, November 12, 2009
What martial art is considered a JOKE in the martial art community?
This a serious question, because there does seem to be certain styles that martial artists seem to think is a joke! For EXAMPLE, you hardly ever hear anyone put down Muay Thai Kickboxing, but you%26#039;ll hear a lot of martial artists put down TKD.
Please give reasons with your response.
What martial art is considered a JOKE in the martial art community?
Ninjitsu (including Bujinkan, etc.) anything invoking Ninjitsu, Ninjas, or wears Ninja garb or Tabis.
Anything made up by someone.. including Dux-Ryu, Dillman%26#039;s Karate, anything remotely done by Ashida Kim.
Systema.
90% of the Reality Based Self Defense systems.
Few others, but those are the ones off the top of my head.
Reply:origami ????
all the best
Ian :)
Reply:In the martial arts television watching fan community, there are a lot.
In the practicing martial arts community, none.
Because practicing martial artists understand the value of the martial arts lie deeper than in a set of techniques and that there is much more to martial arts than learning how to use violence efficiently; Martial arts is a growth process that involves the whole person.
Reply:I don%26#039;t think the style is a joke, I think many of it%26#039;s practitioners are though. Yes, I am talking about tae kwon do. In Korea it is still taught correctly, at least from what I have heard. In the west though, especially America, tae kwon do stylists have become a joke in the martial arts community. This is due to the fact that it is a business concerned with making money, not a martial art concerned with self defense. Most schools teach tournament tae kwon do, point sparring that will get you hurt in the real world. Even the schools that try to teach the correct way of the art are overshadowed by the practices of their supposed brethren. Imagine losing your students because they can get a black belt in two years at the school down the road, as opposed to the four to six years it will take at your school. This is not solely a tae kwon do problem though, many schools, in many styles are following these unscrupulous business tactics. Ethics seem to be lost to these teachers. For those of us with schools that actually do teach self defense, and are not just black belt factories, it has become quite difficult to compete. Because many tae kwon do schools %26quot;lead the charge%26quot; as far as black belt factories and McDojos are concerned, and there is a majority of unethical schools of tae kwon do, the practitioners are considered a joke.
I mean no offense to any martial artist in any style, but this is the way I see things.
Reply:They put down TKD because they don%26#039;t know and there are a bunch of posers out there that make our art look bad.
Anyone who is serious about martial arts will not think any style is a joke. Anyone who answers otherwise is either lying through their teeth, they come from a McDojo or a school of %26quot;I-don%26#039;t-like-everyone-else-so-I%26#039;ll-make... Fu, or they have no clue what martial arts really is.
Reply:Well, you can make fun of all martial arts, it%26#039;s just that some styles leave themself open to it a little more than others, for example:
TKD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJDgWM5-9...
Wing Chung: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KxuDYfp...
Aikido: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_tnefyO...
These are extreme examples, I think, and I really hope so, but sometimes you look at something and then the guy tells you its something completely different , like that video of Ashida Kim doing his Kata Dante, the video that has been removed form youtube by them for some reason...
So for some people its like someone saying one + one is three instead of two
and ofcource there is chi and just ridiculous stuff like glactic do or something like that, that has links to male impotents products all over their website
Also some teachers look really funny
Reply:There reason there%26#039;s so much negativity out there about Taekwondo is because of the McDojo phenomina. There are other styles that are struck with the McDojo virus, but in the Taekwondo community it%26#039;s a plague. You might have one good Dojang for every 10 McDojos.
At a McDojo, you earn your blackbelt within a year, no matter how badly you suck.
At a McDojo, the costs are often quite high, especially %26quot;belt%26quot; testing fees.
At a McDojo, you do very few of the traditional exercises of the style (form) and replace effective attacks with flashy ones.
Good Takewondo looks an aweful lot like Shotokan Karate to me.
Reply:The KOREANS have no one but themselves to blame for this mess.The original TKD instructors were all DAN ranks in JAPANESE // OKINAWAN KARATE.
To back up the myth that TKD was descended from ancient korean arts they did %26quot;patch%26quot; jobs on the kata to make them appear %26quot;korean%26quot;.
Then there is the 35//40 year old 7th and 8th dans issue.
The bullshido that flying kicks were used to knock a horse man out of his saddle.
You have a guy on a horse feet in the stirrups armed with a sword or spear and you sare going to kick him out of the saddle.
Like I said bullshido.To do that you have to be kicking downwards which would require a leap of 15 feet hi.
But there are instructors out there still promoting this nonsense along with %26quot;you can hold him off with your feet%26quot; instead of saying %26quot;don%26#039;t use your feet to hold him off use your feet to end it with the 1st kick%26quot;
Hold em off is for tournaments not reality and to many TKD instructors have the 2 confused.
They want respect they should set the record straight do the katas as they were originally taught and forget the political nationalistic hogwash.
Reply:This also come from the fact the potential / student martial artist ultimate goal is the %26quot;Black Belt%26quot; obtained in the least amount of time with the minimum of efforts. These are the perfect customer for small business owners, the %26quot;Black Belt%26quot;, %26quot;Self-Defense%26quot; marketing tool is working.
This is not special to TKD, but because it is widely spread TKD tend to get this reputation more than other martial arts. Now, you can also find these schools that offer a mix of different martial arts, eg, Kung-Fu, BJJ, TKD, so 3 black belts for the price of one in less than 2 years. As sad as it sounds this school exists and thriving!!!!
Reply:anything that is a McDojo.
McDojo -Noun- A dojo that hand out rank belt as fast as they can to make fast cash.
Reply:The quality and frequency far outweigh the style being trained in.
Artists dis TKD because there are so many fake school under this style. I have met at least 18 TKD %26quot;black-belts%26quot; under the age of 15 who know nothing about true martial arts.
These types of people are giving the arts a bad name.
Please don%26#039;t let your friends train at a McDojo. It is better to just not train at all.
Reply:There is no style that should be considered a joke. It seems that the styles who get bad mouthed the most are the traditional styles. There are two things we must remember when talking about different styles, (1) ALL martial arts styles originated from traditional systems, developed by people who had certain needs for a very specific group of techniques. This accounts for the difference in styles from different areas. Even in styles from the same country. Look at the difference between Northern and Southern style kung fu from China. Neither set of systems are superior, just different. And (2) The fighter makes the style, not the style makes the fighter.
Reply:I%26#039;d say the biggest one%26#039;s of which are :
Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Do
Karate (excluding Kyokushin)
Why? Because they%26#039;re largely sports over combat...and they tend to give out black belts to little children as marketing gimmicks, especially TKD.
I have respect for Karate to a point...I have absolutely zero respect for TKD for those reasons amongst many others.
Reply:Boxing and wrestling........they aren%26#039;t really martial arts..........TKD is mostly kicks and it shouldn%26#039;t be a joke I have a black belt in Karate and had to fight someone in TKD.........I won though but still.
Reply:People just don%26#039;t like TKD because it%26#039;s more of a sport than a fight.
They neglect the importance of punching and even blocking punches.
TKD practitioners can%26#039;t fight in a ring.
Some may put down TKD for the wrong reason, but I put it down because it%26#039;s not practical.
I have 2 excellent TKD practitioner friends. One is in the national US team and the other is Jr Olympic champion.
I sparred them and I was surprised of how easy it was for me to beat them. They even say that TKD is not practical fighting style but it%26#039;s just a sport.
Reply:Hands down, it%26#039;s TKD. In my opinion, TKD has been watered down to the point that it%26#039;s no longer a martial art. It%26#039;s become a martial sport. TKD is something to send your kids to as an after school activity. McDojos pumping out black belts at a nauseating pace. It%26#039;s a sad state of affairs for TKD.
Let%26#039;s face it people, TKD is nothing more then Tae Bo now a days. It%26#039;s a workout disguised as a martial art. Wow, neat. You can jump 7ft and do a flying heel kick. How practical in a street fight.
TKD practitioners that wonder why they aren%26#039;t taken seriously in the martial art community is like McDonald%26#039;s employees wondering why they are taken seriously in the workforce.
But TKD has it%26#039;s place. It%26#039;s good cardio and can be great for youngster%26#039;s self-esteem. But please don%26#039;t kid yourself into thinking that TKD is a valid fighting system. I%26#039;ve seen demonstrations where a TKD %26quot;black belt%26quot; sparred with a complete amateur. After about 3 minutes, the amateur caught on and simply did %26quot;block his kick-push him over%26quot; combos. Looked like a little kid rough housing with his father.
Perhaps TKD isn%26#039;t a joke. I don%26#039;t know. I%26#039;ve never seen a practioner really wow me, or even make me stop and consider my view point may be wrong. And with all the TKD practitioners out there, I take it as a SCARY sign that not a single one has ever demonstrated solid fighting abilities to me. You%26#039;d figure with the black belt factories out there, SOMEONE would be able to actually fight.
Reply:My answer is based of a fine show on the History Channel called %26#039;The Human Weapon.%26quot; For those who might not be familiar with it, the show revolves around the history and techniques of a form of martial art. The two hosts train with various masters over the course of two weeks, then have an exhibition match against a former champ or current one.
Most of the time, they lose...badly. It seems that the practitioner they are fighting lets them look good for a while, then decides it is time to win and proceeds to decimate whoever they are fighting.
Then they went to France for Savate. For those that watched the episode, the fantastic art of kickboxing was put into the ring with the host that has no high kick, no medium kick and barely a low kick. He fought a current champion...and tied. Mind you this is with a grand total of two weeks training. And from the fight, both fighters were trying their hardest.
So, the French fight with special shoes and kicks, and get tied with a lummox who barely learned the art over the weekend.
Reply:I always resist responding to such questions, as I believe they to not add the the discussion and knowledge but merely continue misperceptions, misinformation, and are negative in connotation. That said, as a TaeKwon-Do instructor and practitioner I feel a responsibility to defend it as an art, if not some of the business practices I have seen that martial artists in many disciplines have engaged in.
First let me say that I%26#039;ve been involved in the arts in the US for about fifteen years, meeting many different artists and seeing many different disciplines. I believe all traditional martial arts, and all quality martial artists have vitrue, value, and worthwhile knowledge to pass on, and it is reprehensible for a fellow martial artist to tar an entire discipline with an overgeneralized, over simplified view.
With regard to TaeKwon-Do, as a discpline it is effective, useful, and valid. It%26#039;s history is an amalgamation of many concepts and techniques, just as many other arts art today. The idea that Japan, China, Korea, the Phillipines and any other country isolated and held entirely secret their fighting systems and styles is fallacy. Cultural, philosophical, and technical exchanges have always occurred and while the history of TaeKwon-Do is credited as resulting largely from former Korean systems which are historically valid, such as Taekyon, there is undubltedly a strong influence from Karate. That has never been denied by the person I recognize as one of TaeKwon-Do%26#039;s founders, General Choi, Hong Hi.
There are many instructors teaching many varied styles of TaeKwon-Do around the world today. While the South Korean World TaeKwon-Do Federation has adopted the idea of TaeKwon-Do as the national sport of South Korea, the International TaeKwon-Do Federation has never moved away from General Choi%26#039;s philosophy that TaeKwon-Do is a martial art. Although ITF and WTF TaeKwon-Do are very similar in nature, they are very different in many technical, exectution, and some focus aspects. Most instructors, myself included, have a solid background in both, and merge aspects of each when teaching.
The greatest blight on the martail arts business side, and alternatively the greatest asset when used with an ethical and moral compass, are the financial support companies that provide business information, guidance, and support to many studios. It was through these sources over twelve years ago that I first heard of %26quot;3 year guaranteed black belt programs%26quot;, of tuiton contaracts for 7 year olds that committed them for one year, of increasing the belt system to as many as 16 gup ranks to %26quot;keep people interested.%26quot;
It is undoubtely true that the martial arts was woefully lacking in the business aspects of our development as an industry, and many schools failed to cover the essential basics like liability insurance, first aid training for instructors, or effective customer relation training. As a result of poor business practices, poor management skills, and poor basics, a number of good instructors with good schools failed to keep their doors open. Into this came unscrupulous instructors with little real experience or desire for the growth of the art who saw an opportunity to make a buck and buy a beamer. I%26#039;ve seen this in most disciplines in California, though I must admit that I have been more exposed to in in the TaeKwon-Do world because I move in that world a lot.
I withdrew from formal support of the WTF, and the US national governing bodies as a result of this corruption, and their misguided policies and direction in my opinion. That said, I have had the honor, privilage, and pleasure of meeting a great number of experienced, quality, committed, and dedicated TaeKwon-Do instructors who teach this art in a very effective and principaled way.
Business is an essential part of being able to create an effective environment that provides a professional basis for teaching, a secure environemnt for the students, and a quality program of development and advancement. Business is not a dirty word, it should be one of the things to consider when selecting an instructor. If their school is set up professionally, competently, and effectively, it is likely the rest of the conduct and school will run likewise. This does not mean the instructor will or should try to milk every cent out of you, but it should be the same standard you would expect from your doctors office, or your accountants office.
As others have stated, it is rarely the discipline that is the joke when you are talking about traditional martail arts disciplines. Human nature, even within the martial arts, often results in the inclusion of bad apples and unscrupulous indiviudals who will take advantage of the unaware. It is up to the rest of us in the martail arts community to try to help new students and existing students to come to a broader understanding of all of these issues, and to help them come to theri own informed decsion - not to simply deride exsiting disciplines as %26quot;jokes.%26quot; I think we do a dis-service to everyone by such comments.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
Reply:To have the chance we have nowadays and be able to openly study any art as long as we have the proper school around us for it, when back then it depended on your ethnicity to get in. And for someone to reject this treasure because its apparently not good enough is a fool.
I don%26#039;t know about you, but I%26#039;ll take any and all knowledge I can get my hands on to prepare for a fight. So I have all the tools while you only have the few that you considered were good.
Reply:Any martial arts that tell you that they can blast you with their Ki/Chi. Or they can send you flying with the lightest touch and sometimes, even without!
Example like this:
Part 1 A Master demo Chi Self defense
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc
Part 2 MMA guy sign agreement, then fight the master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMgVmFzBr...
Part 3 The fight from another angle on what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0...
Reply:Aikido, TKD, Karate, Kung Fu (barring San Shou), Ninjitsu are all seen as jokes
Reply:I don%26#039;t think any martial arts are jokes. I think some of them have next to no real application any more because they%26#039;ve been made into such sports. ex: TKD, some karate styles, wushu.
Other than that it just depends on what you choose to practice.
Reply:MMA
wallflower
Please give reasons with your response.
What martial art is considered a JOKE in the martial art community?
Ninjitsu (including Bujinkan, etc.) anything invoking Ninjitsu, Ninjas, or wears Ninja garb or Tabis.
Anything made up by someone.. including Dux-Ryu, Dillman%26#039;s Karate, anything remotely done by Ashida Kim.
Systema.
90% of the Reality Based Self Defense systems.
Few others, but those are the ones off the top of my head.
Reply:origami ????
all the best
Ian :)
Reply:In the martial arts television watching fan community, there are a lot.
In the practicing martial arts community, none.
Because practicing martial artists understand the value of the martial arts lie deeper than in a set of techniques and that there is much more to martial arts than learning how to use violence efficiently; Martial arts is a growth process that involves the whole person.
Reply:I don%26#039;t think the style is a joke, I think many of it%26#039;s practitioners are though. Yes, I am talking about tae kwon do. In Korea it is still taught correctly, at least from what I have heard. In the west though, especially America, tae kwon do stylists have become a joke in the martial arts community. This is due to the fact that it is a business concerned with making money, not a martial art concerned with self defense. Most schools teach tournament tae kwon do, point sparring that will get you hurt in the real world. Even the schools that try to teach the correct way of the art are overshadowed by the practices of their supposed brethren. Imagine losing your students because they can get a black belt in two years at the school down the road, as opposed to the four to six years it will take at your school. This is not solely a tae kwon do problem though, many schools, in many styles are following these unscrupulous business tactics. Ethics seem to be lost to these teachers. For those of us with schools that actually do teach self defense, and are not just black belt factories, it has become quite difficult to compete. Because many tae kwon do schools %26quot;lead the charge%26quot; as far as black belt factories and McDojos are concerned, and there is a majority of unethical schools of tae kwon do, the practitioners are considered a joke.
I mean no offense to any martial artist in any style, but this is the way I see things.
Reply:They put down TKD because they don%26#039;t know and there are a bunch of posers out there that make our art look bad.
Anyone who is serious about martial arts will not think any style is a joke. Anyone who answers otherwise is either lying through their teeth, they come from a McDojo or a school of %26quot;I-don%26#039;t-like-everyone-else-so-I%26#039;ll-make... Fu, or they have no clue what martial arts really is.
Reply:Well, you can make fun of all martial arts, it%26#039;s just that some styles leave themself open to it a little more than others, for example:
TKD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJDgWM5-9...
Wing Chung: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KxuDYfp...
Aikido: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_tnefyO...
These are extreme examples, I think, and I really hope so, but sometimes you look at something and then the guy tells you its something completely different , like that video of Ashida Kim doing his Kata Dante, the video that has been removed form youtube by them for some reason...
So for some people its like someone saying one + one is three instead of two
and ofcource there is chi and just ridiculous stuff like glactic do or something like that, that has links to male impotents products all over their website
Also some teachers look really funny
Reply:There reason there%26#039;s so much negativity out there about Taekwondo is because of the McDojo phenomina. There are other styles that are struck with the McDojo virus, but in the Taekwondo community it%26#039;s a plague. You might have one good Dojang for every 10 McDojos.
At a McDojo, you earn your blackbelt within a year, no matter how badly you suck.
At a McDojo, the costs are often quite high, especially %26quot;belt%26quot; testing fees.
At a McDojo, you do very few of the traditional exercises of the style (form) and replace effective attacks with flashy ones.
Good Takewondo looks an aweful lot like Shotokan Karate to me.
Reply:The KOREANS have no one but themselves to blame for this mess.The original TKD instructors were all DAN ranks in JAPANESE // OKINAWAN KARATE.
To back up the myth that TKD was descended from ancient korean arts they did %26quot;patch%26quot; jobs on the kata to make them appear %26quot;korean%26quot;.
Then there is the 35//40 year old 7th and 8th dans issue.
The bullshido that flying kicks were used to knock a horse man out of his saddle.
You have a guy on a horse feet in the stirrups armed with a sword or spear and you sare going to kick him out of the saddle.
Like I said bullshido.To do that you have to be kicking downwards which would require a leap of 15 feet hi.
But there are instructors out there still promoting this nonsense along with %26quot;you can hold him off with your feet%26quot; instead of saying %26quot;don%26#039;t use your feet to hold him off use your feet to end it with the 1st kick%26quot;
Hold em off is for tournaments not reality and to many TKD instructors have the 2 confused.
They want respect they should set the record straight do the katas as they were originally taught and forget the political nationalistic hogwash.
Reply:This also come from the fact the potential / student martial artist ultimate goal is the %26quot;Black Belt%26quot; obtained in the least amount of time with the minimum of efforts. These are the perfect customer for small business owners, the %26quot;Black Belt%26quot;, %26quot;Self-Defense%26quot; marketing tool is working.
This is not special to TKD, but because it is widely spread TKD tend to get this reputation more than other martial arts. Now, you can also find these schools that offer a mix of different martial arts, eg, Kung-Fu, BJJ, TKD, so 3 black belts for the price of one in less than 2 years. As sad as it sounds this school exists and thriving!!!!
Reply:anything that is a McDojo.
McDojo -Noun- A dojo that hand out rank belt as fast as they can to make fast cash.
Reply:The quality and frequency far outweigh the style being trained in.
Artists dis TKD because there are so many fake school under this style. I have met at least 18 TKD %26quot;black-belts%26quot; under the age of 15 who know nothing about true martial arts.
These types of people are giving the arts a bad name.
Please don%26#039;t let your friends train at a McDojo. It is better to just not train at all.
Reply:There is no style that should be considered a joke. It seems that the styles who get bad mouthed the most are the traditional styles. There are two things we must remember when talking about different styles, (1) ALL martial arts styles originated from traditional systems, developed by people who had certain needs for a very specific group of techniques. This accounts for the difference in styles from different areas. Even in styles from the same country. Look at the difference between Northern and Southern style kung fu from China. Neither set of systems are superior, just different. And (2) The fighter makes the style, not the style makes the fighter.
Reply:I%26#039;d say the biggest one%26#039;s of which are :
Tae Kwon Do/Tang Soo Do
Karate (excluding Kyokushin)
Why? Because they%26#039;re largely sports over combat...and they tend to give out black belts to little children as marketing gimmicks, especially TKD.
I have respect for Karate to a point...I have absolutely zero respect for TKD for those reasons amongst many others.
Reply:Boxing and wrestling........they aren%26#039;t really martial arts..........TKD is mostly kicks and it shouldn%26#039;t be a joke I have a black belt in Karate and had to fight someone in TKD.........I won though but still.
Reply:People just don%26#039;t like TKD because it%26#039;s more of a sport than a fight.
They neglect the importance of punching and even blocking punches.
TKD practitioners can%26#039;t fight in a ring.
Some may put down TKD for the wrong reason, but I put it down because it%26#039;s not practical.
I have 2 excellent TKD practitioner friends. One is in the national US team and the other is Jr Olympic champion.
I sparred them and I was surprised of how easy it was for me to beat them. They even say that TKD is not practical fighting style but it%26#039;s just a sport.
Reply:Hands down, it%26#039;s TKD. In my opinion, TKD has been watered down to the point that it%26#039;s no longer a martial art. It%26#039;s become a martial sport. TKD is something to send your kids to as an after school activity. McDojos pumping out black belts at a nauseating pace. It%26#039;s a sad state of affairs for TKD.
Let%26#039;s face it people, TKD is nothing more then Tae Bo now a days. It%26#039;s a workout disguised as a martial art. Wow, neat. You can jump 7ft and do a flying heel kick. How practical in a street fight.
TKD practitioners that wonder why they aren%26#039;t taken seriously in the martial art community is like McDonald%26#039;s employees wondering why they are taken seriously in the workforce.
But TKD has it%26#039;s place. It%26#039;s good cardio and can be great for youngster%26#039;s self-esteem. But please don%26#039;t kid yourself into thinking that TKD is a valid fighting system. I%26#039;ve seen demonstrations where a TKD %26quot;black belt%26quot; sparred with a complete amateur. After about 3 minutes, the amateur caught on and simply did %26quot;block his kick-push him over%26quot; combos. Looked like a little kid rough housing with his father.
Perhaps TKD isn%26#039;t a joke. I don%26#039;t know. I%26#039;ve never seen a practioner really wow me, or even make me stop and consider my view point may be wrong. And with all the TKD practitioners out there, I take it as a SCARY sign that not a single one has ever demonstrated solid fighting abilities to me. You%26#039;d figure with the black belt factories out there, SOMEONE would be able to actually fight.
Reply:My answer is based of a fine show on the History Channel called %26#039;The Human Weapon.%26quot; For those who might not be familiar with it, the show revolves around the history and techniques of a form of martial art. The two hosts train with various masters over the course of two weeks, then have an exhibition match against a former champ or current one.
Most of the time, they lose...badly. It seems that the practitioner they are fighting lets them look good for a while, then decides it is time to win and proceeds to decimate whoever they are fighting.
Then they went to France for Savate. For those that watched the episode, the fantastic art of kickboxing was put into the ring with the host that has no high kick, no medium kick and barely a low kick. He fought a current champion...and tied. Mind you this is with a grand total of two weeks training. And from the fight, both fighters were trying their hardest.
So, the French fight with special shoes and kicks, and get tied with a lummox who barely learned the art over the weekend.
Reply:I always resist responding to such questions, as I believe they to not add the the discussion and knowledge but merely continue misperceptions, misinformation, and are negative in connotation. That said, as a TaeKwon-Do instructor and practitioner I feel a responsibility to defend it as an art, if not some of the business practices I have seen that martial artists in many disciplines have engaged in.
First let me say that I%26#039;ve been involved in the arts in the US for about fifteen years, meeting many different artists and seeing many different disciplines. I believe all traditional martial arts, and all quality martial artists have vitrue, value, and worthwhile knowledge to pass on, and it is reprehensible for a fellow martial artist to tar an entire discipline with an overgeneralized, over simplified view.
With regard to TaeKwon-Do, as a discpline it is effective, useful, and valid. It%26#039;s history is an amalgamation of many concepts and techniques, just as many other arts art today. The idea that Japan, China, Korea, the Phillipines and any other country isolated and held entirely secret their fighting systems and styles is fallacy. Cultural, philosophical, and technical exchanges have always occurred and while the history of TaeKwon-Do is credited as resulting largely from former Korean systems which are historically valid, such as Taekyon, there is undubltedly a strong influence from Karate. That has never been denied by the person I recognize as one of TaeKwon-Do%26#039;s founders, General Choi, Hong Hi.
There are many instructors teaching many varied styles of TaeKwon-Do around the world today. While the South Korean World TaeKwon-Do Federation has adopted the idea of TaeKwon-Do as the national sport of South Korea, the International TaeKwon-Do Federation has never moved away from General Choi%26#039;s philosophy that TaeKwon-Do is a martial art. Although ITF and WTF TaeKwon-Do are very similar in nature, they are very different in many technical, exectution, and some focus aspects. Most instructors, myself included, have a solid background in both, and merge aspects of each when teaching.
The greatest blight on the martail arts business side, and alternatively the greatest asset when used with an ethical and moral compass, are the financial support companies that provide business information, guidance, and support to many studios. It was through these sources over twelve years ago that I first heard of %26quot;3 year guaranteed black belt programs%26quot;, of tuiton contaracts for 7 year olds that committed them for one year, of increasing the belt system to as many as 16 gup ranks to %26quot;keep people interested.%26quot;
It is undoubtely true that the martial arts was woefully lacking in the business aspects of our development as an industry, and many schools failed to cover the essential basics like liability insurance, first aid training for instructors, or effective customer relation training. As a result of poor business practices, poor management skills, and poor basics, a number of good instructors with good schools failed to keep their doors open. Into this came unscrupulous instructors with little real experience or desire for the growth of the art who saw an opportunity to make a buck and buy a beamer. I%26#039;ve seen this in most disciplines in California, though I must admit that I have been more exposed to in in the TaeKwon-Do world because I move in that world a lot.
I withdrew from formal support of the WTF, and the US national governing bodies as a result of this corruption, and their misguided policies and direction in my opinion. That said, I have had the honor, privilage, and pleasure of meeting a great number of experienced, quality, committed, and dedicated TaeKwon-Do instructors who teach this art in a very effective and principaled way.
Business is an essential part of being able to create an effective environment that provides a professional basis for teaching, a secure environemnt for the students, and a quality program of development and advancement. Business is not a dirty word, it should be one of the things to consider when selecting an instructor. If their school is set up professionally, competently, and effectively, it is likely the rest of the conduct and school will run likewise. This does not mean the instructor will or should try to milk every cent out of you, but it should be the same standard you would expect from your doctors office, or your accountants office.
As others have stated, it is rarely the discipline that is the joke when you are talking about traditional martail arts disciplines. Human nature, even within the martial arts, often results in the inclusion of bad apples and unscrupulous indiviudals who will take advantage of the unaware. It is up to the rest of us in the martail arts community to try to help new students and existing students to come to a broader understanding of all of these issues, and to help them come to theri own informed decsion - not to simply deride exsiting disciplines as %26quot;jokes.%26quot; I think we do a dis-service to everyone by such comments.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
Reply:To have the chance we have nowadays and be able to openly study any art as long as we have the proper school around us for it, when back then it depended on your ethnicity to get in. And for someone to reject this treasure because its apparently not good enough is a fool.
I don%26#039;t know about you, but I%26#039;ll take any and all knowledge I can get my hands on to prepare for a fight. So I have all the tools while you only have the few that you considered were good.
Reply:Any martial arts that tell you that they can blast you with their Ki/Chi. Or they can send you flying with the lightest touch and sometimes, even without!
Example like this:
Part 1 A Master demo Chi Self defense
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc
Part 2 MMA guy sign agreement, then fight the master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMgVmFzBr...
Part 3 The fight from another angle on what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0...
Reply:Aikido, TKD, Karate, Kung Fu (barring San Shou), Ninjitsu are all seen as jokes
Reply:I don%26#039;t think any martial arts are jokes. I think some of them have next to no real application any more because they%26#039;ve been made into such sports. ex: TKD, some karate styles, wushu.
Other than that it just depends on what you choose to practice.
Reply:MMA
wallflower
Is Aikido really unbeatable?
I used to do KUng Fu but then i found out that the classes were a rip off so now i want to switch back to Japanese martial arts.
I%26#039;ve been doing a lot of research on Aikido, which caught my attention a week ago, and i seem to have fallen in love with the art and it%26#039;s priciples of peace, but there are still things that i would like to know about it.
First off, i%26#039;ve heard that it%26#039;s effective against multible attackers, all weapons, and any martial arts style, is this true? I have noticed that since it%26#039;s 100% defence without hurting the attacker, it can be used easily against any martial art.
Well, thank you in advance for all your help yall, and please be truthful aight, peace.
Is Aikido really unbeatable?
no its not unbeatable some of those moves you cant pull off if they person if faster than you, and it doesnt have much of a ground game so if taken to the ground your kinda screwed. it also takes quite a bit of training to be good at it compared to other arts with quicker results. im not downing aikido in anyway its still could be a good art, just not %26quot;unbeatable%26quot;
Reply:Yes Aikido is unbeatable, I mean it can%26#039;t beat anything.
I liken Aikido to being the WWE of martial arts.
Aikido practitioners will often be quoted to say they won%26#039;t test there art but that it is clearly the most effective.
Look for any real video of Aikido being tested against any other form of self defense and not some set up by a teacher and a student in a gi. You will not find it.
Go find your local top high school wrestler and have him go up against one of the better students at your school, he will take them down and keep them down everytime.
An equally trained Muay Thai fighter would destroy an Aikido guy.
I am not here to blast Aikido but I feel it is truly without merit.
Reply:Aikido may have some value but it isn%26#039;t in fighting.
I%26#039;ve never and I mean never seen an Aikido demonstration where the attacking opponent came at the guy with a realistic attack. No combos from a boxer, no double leg from a wrestler, no kicks from a Thai boxer.
I%26#039;d love to believe that it works but I can%26#039;t.
Reply:Eery martial art makes great claims, but Aikido has to make the most claims and have the least proof. All their demonstrations look real nice since they are set up to look that way but I am yet to see anyone who studyed Aikido demonstrate its effectivenes in a realistic environment
Furthermore, even if Aikido does wokr, it would take a long time to be good at it and by that time you probably wont be in danger from getting into fights after aproaching some girls which are already taken in the clubs
Just think about where Aikido comes from, it was made up by someone who was into religious cults and clamed to have been enlightened......... and whats even more strange is that alot of Aikido today is solely responsible for the no-touch KO rubbish
Aikido might have some value if you are cross training, but i doubt the value is any more than capoeira, you know, the brazilian war dance, its more of a show than anything and all the locks and such can be found in karate and are quite hard too apply if the person is resisting, or even worse, knows what he is doing
to sumorise, Aikido%26#039;s unrealistic training is only going to give you a sore back from submitting to being thrown all the time from your partner so you might as well get it while training something practicle, basicaly anything appart from Aikido :)
Reply:aikido is almost completely useless for fighting. Aikido only works on other people who practice Aikido and on people who don%26#039;t know how to fight. lol @ aikido nubs being angry at me for calling it useless.
Reply:Against all weapons? Impossible.
If the opponent hold a gun, long sword or long spear, Aikido can%26#039;t defend yourself 100%.
Aikido is not the martial arts for a fight, but for a defence.
Reply:No it%26#039;s not unbeatable! Also any other art! It%26#039;s a very good effective art! The moves work! It%26#039;s just depends on the timing and leverage! I heard even police practicing some of the art. It%26#039;s kinda old. You should learn some Krava Maga too. Also learn some basics on Bjj. Then you%26#039;ll be truly ready!
Reply:Just like saying that it%26#039;s who play%26#039;s the instrument that really count%26#039;s. But yeah, I don%26#039;t think you%26#039;d want to go up against 100 gun wielding foes with just aikido.
Reply:NOTHING is unbeatable.
Every style has a weakness of some sorts, just some have a whole lot more than others
Reply:Lol, no such thing as unbeatable.
Reply:It can be a good art, but no style is unbeatable.
Reply:No fighting system is unbeatable.
That being said, I trained against multiple attackers much sooner in Aikido than I did in Tae Kwon Do.
My aikido instructor worked hard on training to be adaptable to the circumstances. That is, learning the principles that can be adapted to the situation.
Learning to restrain an opponent rather than learn to batter (as many other strike oriented martial arts) makes many of aikido techniques adaptable for police forces.
My instructor also convinced me that staying on your feet to run away is better than ground fighting, where your opponents friends are as likely to kick you in the head.
An aikidoist out of shape or less skilled can be defeated, however I would venture the aikidoist is less likely to suffer legal repercussions for using their techniques.
Aikido training offers impact training (good for maintaining / improving bone density), improved flexability, and can offer some cardio / resistance training, depending on your inclination, instructor, and training partner. Improved posture and balance are other benefits.
It%26#039;s not a primrose path - you%26#039;ll be expanding yourself in more ways than you might imagine.
Reply:no
Reply:no martial arts system is unbeatable.aikido is good to learn and intergrate into your own style but it is a far cry from being unbeatable.in my opinion there are much better styles.
Reply:any art beacomes unbeatable if you practice it hard enough.
I%26#039;ve been doing a lot of research on Aikido, which caught my attention a week ago, and i seem to have fallen in love with the art and it%26#039;s priciples of peace, but there are still things that i would like to know about it.
First off, i%26#039;ve heard that it%26#039;s effective against multible attackers, all weapons, and any martial arts style, is this true? I have noticed that since it%26#039;s 100% defence without hurting the attacker, it can be used easily against any martial art.
Well, thank you in advance for all your help yall, and please be truthful aight, peace.
Is Aikido really unbeatable?
no its not unbeatable some of those moves you cant pull off if they person if faster than you, and it doesnt have much of a ground game so if taken to the ground your kinda screwed. it also takes quite a bit of training to be good at it compared to other arts with quicker results. im not downing aikido in anyway its still could be a good art, just not %26quot;unbeatable%26quot;
Reply:Yes Aikido is unbeatable, I mean it can%26#039;t beat anything.
I liken Aikido to being the WWE of martial arts.
Aikido practitioners will often be quoted to say they won%26#039;t test there art but that it is clearly the most effective.
Look for any real video of Aikido being tested against any other form of self defense and not some set up by a teacher and a student in a gi. You will not find it.
Go find your local top high school wrestler and have him go up against one of the better students at your school, he will take them down and keep them down everytime.
An equally trained Muay Thai fighter would destroy an Aikido guy.
I am not here to blast Aikido but I feel it is truly without merit.
Reply:Aikido may have some value but it isn%26#039;t in fighting.
I%26#039;ve never and I mean never seen an Aikido demonstration where the attacking opponent came at the guy with a realistic attack. No combos from a boxer, no double leg from a wrestler, no kicks from a Thai boxer.
I%26#039;d love to believe that it works but I can%26#039;t.
Reply:Eery martial art makes great claims, but Aikido has to make the most claims and have the least proof. All their demonstrations look real nice since they are set up to look that way but I am yet to see anyone who studyed Aikido demonstrate its effectivenes in a realistic environment
Furthermore, even if Aikido does wokr, it would take a long time to be good at it and by that time you probably wont be in danger from getting into fights after aproaching some girls which are already taken in the clubs
Just think about where Aikido comes from, it was made up by someone who was into religious cults and clamed to have been enlightened......... and whats even more strange is that alot of Aikido today is solely responsible for the no-touch KO rubbish
Aikido might have some value if you are cross training, but i doubt the value is any more than capoeira, you know, the brazilian war dance, its more of a show than anything and all the locks and such can be found in karate and are quite hard too apply if the person is resisting, or even worse, knows what he is doing
to sumorise, Aikido%26#039;s unrealistic training is only going to give you a sore back from submitting to being thrown all the time from your partner so you might as well get it while training something practicle, basicaly anything appart from Aikido :)
Reply:aikido is almost completely useless for fighting. Aikido only works on other people who practice Aikido and on people who don%26#039;t know how to fight. lol @ aikido nubs being angry at me for calling it useless.
Reply:Against all weapons? Impossible.
If the opponent hold a gun, long sword or long spear, Aikido can%26#039;t defend yourself 100%.
Aikido is not the martial arts for a fight, but for a defence.
Reply:No it%26#039;s not unbeatable! Also any other art! It%26#039;s a very good effective art! The moves work! It%26#039;s just depends on the timing and leverage! I heard even police practicing some of the art. It%26#039;s kinda old. You should learn some Krava Maga too. Also learn some basics on Bjj. Then you%26#039;ll be truly ready!
Reply:Just like saying that it%26#039;s who play%26#039;s the instrument that really count%26#039;s. But yeah, I don%26#039;t think you%26#039;d want to go up against 100 gun wielding foes with just aikido.
Reply:NOTHING is unbeatable.
Every style has a weakness of some sorts, just some have a whole lot more than others
Reply:Lol, no such thing as unbeatable.
Reply:It can be a good art, but no style is unbeatable.
Reply:No fighting system is unbeatable.
That being said, I trained against multiple attackers much sooner in Aikido than I did in Tae Kwon Do.
My aikido instructor worked hard on training to be adaptable to the circumstances. That is, learning the principles that can be adapted to the situation.
Learning to restrain an opponent rather than learn to batter (as many other strike oriented martial arts) makes many of aikido techniques adaptable for police forces.
My instructor also convinced me that staying on your feet to run away is better than ground fighting, where your opponents friends are as likely to kick you in the head.
An aikidoist out of shape or less skilled can be defeated, however I would venture the aikidoist is less likely to suffer legal repercussions for using their techniques.
Aikido training offers impact training (good for maintaining / improving bone density), improved flexability, and can offer some cardio / resistance training, depending on your inclination, instructor, and training partner. Improved posture and balance are other benefits.
It%26#039;s not a primrose path - you%26#039;ll be expanding yourself in more ways than you might imagine.
Reply:no
Reply:no martial arts system is unbeatable.aikido is good to learn and intergrate into your own style but it is a far cry from being unbeatable.in my opinion there are much better styles.
Reply:any art beacomes unbeatable if you practice it hard enough.
Posser martial artists ?
why do people claim to have such great skills and just talking to them you know that they don%26#039;t know a front kick from a side. If you have martial skill, reguardless of style, you can generally know, just by talking with people, if they have knowledge in martial arts or there trying to blow smoke up your rear. Why do people insist on claiming crazy stuff that they have no clue about? You%26#039;d think they%26#039;d atleast read up on the subject to make it appear a little more believable?
I love talking martial arts with people, even if its a style I dislike a great deal. Atleast its martial arts talk and I%26#039;m happy. But to listen to people who was trained by there dad, in secret, to be a ninja and how they fought in death matches to earn rank and blah, blah, blah. Can%26#039;t they just say, Dude, sorry, I%26#039;m not intrested in martial arts and have no skill in that area. Or you try to set up a time to train with them and then, mysteriously, the school they go to is closed or something.
Posser martial artists ?
Im a 1st degree black belt in American Kenpo Karate and thats the FIRST TIME I%26#039;ve even answered a question with my rank and particular style of training.
I love discussing Martial Arts as well and I totaly agree with the whole %26quot;secret ninja training with Dad in the garage%26quot; comment. If you cant tell me the difference between a front kick and side kick, you dont belong answering questions on YAHOO reguarding such matters.
I tried to go train with a kid I went to college with and he never showed up to pick me up and go tran that night, he tried to avoid my martial arts discussions after that. His claim was a green belt (one belt from brown 2 from black) and he had been training for 5 years. So one day I decided to take a few swings at him just sparring and playing, he wanted nothing to do with it. Just batted at me like a little punk with no real form or technique. Yes, I got scammed by a pooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssss...
Anyhow, I dont train at my school anymore because I moved but I still practice twice a week and keep in touch with my instructor. I have a wonderful fience that loves to spar so I keep up with that as well. If you wana add me to your contacts or network or whatever please feel free. If you think Im a posser just because Im not with a school anymore well I can respect that too and just tell you to bug off! LOL
Reply:As an eternal Orange Belt, no one has tried to impress me with their knowlege. But then again, I do know a front kick from a side...:-)
Reply:**snicker** That whole %26quot;secretly trained to be a ninja%26quot; thing is a dead-on ringer of an exboyfriend of mine. Poser of the 5th degree, lol!
Have you heard that country song that just came out this past month about a short fat guy who lives with his mother but has a Myspace account that portrays him as a stud? I think some people can%26#039;t handle reality and have to make up things to feel better about themselves.
Reply:You have just brought up one of my pet peeves. As soon as certain idiots hear I study martial arts they go on for ages about how much they %26quot;know%26quot;.
It is not just in martial arts, this happens with all subjects. There is always a know-it-all that in fact knows nothing. My theory is that they lack the intelligence to realize that the rest of us can see right through them.
Which martial art do you study? I am a purple in ju jitsu. Email me if you want to discuss martial arts. I do not know that much but I enjoy a good discussion.
Reply:I love MMA but my @ss isn%26#039;t out there tryin it i leave that to the big boys... well put my man!
if i do want to learn i would only go to one place
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhJxv32h...
Reply:Insecurity.
Those who have true confidence in themselves feel no need to oversell their abilities.
Reply:dude its because men are men. have you ever noticed when you are drunk with a bunch of guys they all all the sudden think they know how to fight , and wont go down until they have not a breath in them ect. blah blah blah. its because every man wants to think they know how to fight, and that they are bad. its so annoying to martial artist because we spend countless hours in the gym , training , sparing getting hit in the face , and we get angry when some guy was just sitting on his *** drinking beer trys to rep our lifestyle with out having the black and blue eyes , and broken bones. it really pisses me off to a point where I challange them to a fight , to see them back up their bullcrap story.
I love talking martial arts with people, even if its a style I dislike a great deal. Atleast its martial arts talk and I%26#039;m happy. But to listen to people who was trained by there dad, in secret, to be a ninja and how they fought in death matches to earn rank and blah, blah, blah. Can%26#039;t they just say, Dude, sorry, I%26#039;m not intrested in martial arts and have no skill in that area. Or you try to set up a time to train with them and then, mysteriously, the school they go to is closed or something.
Posser martial artists ?
Im a 1st degree black belt in American Kenpo Karate and thats the FIRST TIME I%26#039;ve even answered a question with my rank and particular style of training.
I love discussing Martial Arts as well and I totaly agree with the whole %26quot;secret ninja training with Dad in the garage%26quot; comment. If you cant tell me the difference between a front kick and side kick, you dont belong answering questions on YAHOO reguarding such matters.
I tried to go train with a kid I went to college with and he never showed up to pick me up and go tran that night, he tried to avoid my martial arts discussions after that. His claim was a green belt (one belt from brown 2 from black) and he had been training for 5 years. So one day I decided to take a few swings at him just sparring and playing, he wanted nothing to do with it. Just batted at me like a little punk with no real form or technique. Yes, I got scammed by a pooooooooooooooooooooooooooossssssssssss...
Anyhow, I dont train at my school anymore because I moved but I still practice twice a week and keep in touch with my instructor. I have a wonderful fience that loves to spar so I keep up with that as well. If you wana add me to your contacts or network or whatever please feel free. If you think Im a posser just because Im not with a school anymore well I can respect that too and just tell you to bug off! LOL
Reply:As an eternal Orange Belt, no one has tried to impress me with their knowlege. But then again, I do know a front kick from a side...:-)
Reply:**snicker** That whole %26quot;secretly trained to be a ninja%26quot; thing is a dead-on ringer of an exboyfriend of mine. Poser of the 5th degree, lol!
Have you heard that country song that just came out this past month about a short fat guy who lives with his mother but has a Myspace account that portrays him as a stud? I think some people can%26#039;t handle reality and have to make up things to feel better about themselves.
Reply:You have just brought up one of my pet peeves. As soon as certain idiots hear I study martial arts they go on for ages about how much they %26quot;know%26quot;.
It is not just in martial arts, this happens with all subjects. There is always a know-it-all that in fact knows nothing. My theory is that they lack the intelligence to realize that the rest of us can see right through them.
Which martial art do you study? I am a purple in ju jitsu. Email me if you want to discuss martial arts. I do not know that much but I enjoy a good discussion.
Reply:I love MMA but my @ss isn%26#039;t out there tryin it i leave that to the big boys... well put my man!
if i do want to learn i would only go to one place
%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxhJxv32h...
Reply:Insecurity.
Those who have true confidence in themselves feel no need to oversell their abilities.
Reply:dude its because men are men. have you ever noticed when you are drunk with a bunch of guys they all all the sudden think they know how to fight , and wont go down until they have not a breath in them ect. blah blah blah. its because every man wants to think they know how to fight, and that they are bad. its so annoying to martial artist because we spend countless hours in the gym , training , sparing getting hit in the face , and we get angry when some guy was just sitting on his *** drinking beer trys to rep our lifestyle with out having the black and blue eyes , and broken bones. it really pisses me off to a point where I challange them to a fight , to see them back up their bullcrap story.
Why do people feel the need to claim their martial art is the best?
You hear it from everyone. A boxer can%26#039;t beat a cage fighter. A cage fighter would get destroyed by a %26quot;real%26quot; martial artist on the street without rules. Wrestling (not wwe or TNA but real wrestling) isn%26#039;t really a martial art. Traditional Asian martial arts masters can%26#039;t beat UFC fighters. These are all examples of claims posted on here and there%26#039;s plenty more. Don%26#039;t people realize that on any given day, someone using any technique could beat someone else using any other technique? It depends more on the fighters, the circumstances and who gets control. Don%26#039;t people realize there is no truly better martial art, but only better fighters or styles more conducive to certain situations? Why is it so necessary to prove your style is the best anyway? Anyone?
Why do people feel the need to claim their martial art is the best?
I agree with you that there isnt one style that is dominant to all other. I think that people who claim that their style is superior to others are either insecure about the style they train and have to bolster it, have found a style that works for them and feel they are superior or dont really train at all. As martial artist we should all see the values of any style that is practiced correctly(even if we believe our discipline to be more effective)greatly increases the practioners chances of self defense...or at least thats how I see it
Reply:they are vain
Reply:Pride. No one wants to admit that they%26#039;ve spent years studying an art of fighting, that wouldn%26#039;t work in a real fight.
Reply:To quote Bruce Lee %26quot;Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be like water, my friend... %26quot;
The Best style is that which is adaptable to every situation and every opponent. It is that which utilizes the environment against the enemy. It is that which exploits the enemy%26#039;s weaknesses and deflects or avoids the strengths.
The problem with this is that no art exists. Sure some have come close to achieving this doctrine to perfection but none have fully ingrated its teachings and this is why no art is perfect.
Reply:VANITY
Reply:just to clear things up wrestlng and boxing are martial arts
Wikipedia:Martial arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. They may be studied for various reasons including combat skills, fitness, self-defense, sport, self-cultivation/meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence, or any combination of the above.
boxing combative , wrestling also combative
also wrestling and boxing are under different categories because alot of ppl who dont do martial arts think boxing isnt it:same with wrestling
a cage fighter is not martial arts its just fighting; MMA(ufc) fighter would do very well in a real fight;MMA fighters are real martial artist because they study Mixed martial arts.
but i do agree that there is no ONE best martial art and it is annoying when ppl claim theres is the best
Reply:Look all you people need to read a great book called the marital way
Reply:the answer is with anything there are a few people who know the truth or are running the show, and 99% of the rest of the population is barely aware what their own opinions actually are.
They are generally emotional about things just to get emotional.
There is a simple %26#039;truth%26#039; to fighting, that settles most arguments or at least brings them very close together. But you will need to ask the right people to get it.
A person who wanted to become a doctor for example would not expect to get too much in the way of a medical education by asking questions here.
The same is for fighting. I can guarantee you of that
Reply:Is there a question in there, or are you just trying to prove a point?
People always want to compare styles. It%26#039;s like comparing brands of shampoo, particularly in America. Culturally, we want to KNOW that we%26#039;re getting the best deal possible. Therefore, American culture bounces comparisons around. Of course a fight boils down to the fighters and their training, not their %26quot;styles%26quot; (Not that anyone with even half a brain thinks that a given MMA fighter has a particular style) but if we realized that, then where would all the posturing go? Where would all the bragging go? What would happen to those poor, fat, out of shape fratboys who think they%26#039;re hard just because they got their butts kicked once at a BJJ open mat?
There will always be style comparisons. People enjoy thinking about things in such glaring contrasts - it%26#039;s easier to think about than having to analyze the individual strengths and weaknesses of a particular fighter. It may be lazy, unrigid thinking, but hey... That%26#039;s popular American culture.
Hooray. I guess I answered your question. Meh. Two points.
Reply:Many years of practicing and learning theses styles will dedicate you to your form.
Reply:People have mind games they play with themselves to bolster confidence .No harm done except when that is the only source of self confidence and as most are basing their opinions on sport results or kid fights that confidence usually evaporates when the truly nasty and savage stuff goes down.
pomegranate
Why do people feel the need to claim their martial art is the best?
I agree with you that there isnt one style that is dominant to all other. I think that people who claim that their style is superior to others are either insecure about the style they train and have to bolster it, have found a style that works for them and feel they are superior or dont really train at all. As martial artist we should all see the values of any style that is practiced correctly(even if we believe our discipline to be more effective)greatly increases the practioners chances of self defense...or at least thats how I see it
Reply:they are vain
Reply:Pride. No one wants to admit that they%26#039;ve spent years studying an art of fighting, that wouldn%26#039;t work in a real fight.
Reply:To quote Bruce Lee %26quot;Be formless... shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be like water, my friend... %26quot;
The Best style is that which is adaptable to every situation and every opponent. It is that which utilizes the environment against the enemy. It is that which exploits the enemy%26#039;s weaknesses and deflects or avoids the strengths.
The problem with this is that no art exists. Sure some have come close to achieving this doctrine to perfection but none have fully ingrated its teachings and this is why no art is perfect.
Reply:VANITY
Reply:just to clear things up wrestlng and boxing are martial arts
Wikipedia:Martial arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. They may be studied for various reasons including combat skills, fitness, self-defense, sport, self-cultivation/meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence, or any combination of the above.
boxing combative , wrestling also combative
also wrestling and boxing are under different categories because alot of ppl who dont do martial arts think boxing isnt it:same with wrestling
a cage fighter is not martial arts its just fighting; MMA(ufc) fighter would do very well in a real fight;MMA fighters are real martial artist because they study Mixed martial arts.
but i do agree that there is no ONE best martial art and it is annoying when ppl claim theres is the best
Reply:Look all you people need to read a great book called the marital way
Reply:the answer is with anything there are a few people who know the truth or are running the show, and 99% of the rest of the population is barely aware what their own opinions actually are.
They are generally emotional about things just to get emotional.
There is a simple %26#039;truth%26#039; to fighting, that settles most arguments or at least brings them very close together. But you will need to ask the right people to get it.
A person who wanted to become a doctor for example would not expect to get too much in the way of a medical education by asking questions here.
The same is for fighting. I can guarantee you of that
Reply:Is there a question in there, or are you just trying to prove a point?
People always want to compare styles. It%26#039;s like comparing brands of shampoo, particularly in America. Culturally, we want to KNOW that we%26#039;re getting the best deal possible. Therefore, American culture bounces comparisons around. Of course a fight boils down to the fighters and their training, not their %26quot;styles%26quot; (Not that anyone with even half a brain thinks that a given MMA fighter has a particular style) but if we realized that, then where would all the posturing go? Where would all the bragging go? What would happen to those poor, fat, out of shape fratboys who think they%26#039;re hard just because they got their butts kicked once at a BJJ open mat?
There will always be style comparisons. People enjoy thinking about things in such glaring contrasts - it%26#039;s easier to think about than having to analyze the individual strengths and weaknesses of a particular fighter. It may be lazy, unrigid thinking, but hey... That%26#039;s popular American culture.
Hooray. I guess I answered your question. Meh. Two points.
Reply:Many years of practicing and learning theses styles will dedicate you to your form.
Reply:People have mind games they play with themselves to bolster confidence .No harm done except when that is the only source of self confidence and as most are basing their opinions on sport results or kid fights that confidence usually evaporates when the truly nasty and savage stuff goes down.
pomegranate
How do you root yourself to the ground on both legs when you punch?
In kung-fu as well as other martial arts styles, you root yourself to the ground on both feet and twist your hips and punch. Say if I%26#039;m in a 50/50 stance (50% of weight on one leg and 50% of the other) I can%26#039;t feel the root on my legs and feet. I feel that the root is more right down between my legs and feet. Same thing applies to the bow stance and horse stance.
In contrast, in boxing, where you root on one leg only and pivot the other, you can feel the connection to the ground on that one leg.
But in kung-fu with two legs trying to root, you can%26#039;t feel the root. It%26#039;s more down the center between your legs and feet.
How do you root yourself to the ground on both legs when you punch?
The simplest answer is:
You lower your center of gravity.
.
Reply:I%26#039;ll ask Bruce Lee for you.
Reply:try in the bow or horse to pull your feet toward each other without moving them....its a mind leverage thing...you%26#039;ll feel solidness as tho you were part of the floor...its an isometric move and takes practice.....good luck
Reply:ok, take your toes and grip the ground, and pull your feet inwards, but still make sure they%26#039;re pointing forward. Try to push the bottom half of your leg outwards and the top half inwards. Bend your knees. Take your stomach and push it out, like you%26#039;re trying to make yourself look fat (don%26#039;t ask.). All at the same time. Just tighten your body up. and punch, going forward and back, not out to the side at all, because then it takes too long and they see it coming. Pull the corresponding hip back before you punch, and then lunge it forward.
Reply:one of the problems that the good masters recognize is difference in body types - asians and caucasians have different physiques. asians are squatters, caucasians are sitters. the asian has a lower, concave center of gravity that can be easily oriented toward the knees in a balanced fashion.
thus it%26#039;s easier for an asian to bend the legs and root the feet to deliver a blow. it%26#039;s easier for caucasians (northern europeans especially) to root one leg, bend the torso and pivot above the waist. this is why caucasians have far more devastating punches, because they command the full arc of a swinging blow without losing any power at contact (watch asians fist fight, they almost always use sharp, fast jabs and thrusts). as you would expect though, asians are much more powerful kickers and have a much greater range of kicks originating from a rooted position.
my recommendation: listen to your master, but feel free to improvise on your balance to a certain degree. all pure fighters do this to some extent.
Reply:Your upper,mid,and lower abdomen muscles are what connect the upper and lower body.
When punching,at impact,your abdomen tenses making the connection between upper and lower body.
A well developed abdomen is a must for delivering fully effective punches.
Back in the day as students we often were struck in the abdomen with a broom stick when doing our punching drills.
Just as we punched,it came,%26quot;Wam%26quot;, very quickly you form the habit to tense your abdomen when delivering a punch.
Reply:Bend your knees slightly
Let your weight sink into your hips and legs
Relax and shift your hips when you throw
At point of strike, grab the ground with your feet/toes and push off with your back leg while making sure you stay low, in fact you should sink a little more.
Reply:It%26#039;s an ability that you need to train, there are exorcises to help with your rooting. Most of them weird. Go learn Wing Chun kung fu and you will get a very good grasp of rooting quickly as that is how the art usually is introduced. Rooting, and meditation are among the first things you learn.
Reply:Drop your weight and grab the floor with your toes, even if you%26#039;re wearing shoes.
White Teeth
In contrast, in boxing, where you root on one leg only and pivot the other, you can feel the connection to the ground on that one leg.
But in kung-fu with two legs trying to root, you can%26#039;t feel the root. It%26#039;s more down the center between your legs and feet.
How do you root yourself to the ground on both legs when you punch?
The simplest answer is:
You lower your center of gravity.
.
Reply:I%26#039;ll ask Bruce Lee for you.
Reply:try in the bow or horse to pull your feet toward each other without moving them....its a mind leverage thing...you%26#039;ll feel solidness as tho you were part of the floor...its an isometric move and takes practice.....good luck
Reply:ok, take your toes and grip the ground, and pull your feet inwards, but still make sure they%26#039;re pointing forward. Try to push the bottom half of your leg outwards and the top half inwards. Bend your knees. Take your stomach and push it out, like you%26#039;re trying to make yourself look fat (don%26#039;t ask.). All at the same time. Just tighten your body up. and punch, going forward and back, not out to the side at all, because then it takes too long and they see it coming. Pull the corresponding hip back before you punch, and then lunge it forward.
Reply:one of the problems that the good masters recognize is difference in body types - asians and caucasians have different physiques. asians are squatters, caucasians are sitters. the asian has a lower, concave center of gravity that can be easily oriented toward the knees in a balanced fashion.
thus it%26#039;s easier for an asian to bend the legs and root the feet to deliver a blow. it%26#039;s easier for caucasians (northern europeans especially) to root one leg, bend the torso and pivot above the waist. this is why caucasians have far more devastating punches, because they command the full arc of a swinging blow without losing any power at contact (watch asians fist fight, they almost always use sharp, fast jabs and thrusts). as you would expect though, asians are much more powerful kickers and have a much greater range of kicks originating from a rooted position.
my recommendation: listen to your master, but feel free to improvise on your balance to a certain degree. all pure fighters do this to some extent.
Reply:Your upper,mid,and lower abdomen muscles are what connect the upper and lower body.
When punching,at impact,your abdomen tenses making the connection between upper and lower body.
A well developed abdomen is a must for delivering fully effective punches.
Back in the day as students we often were struck in the abdomen with a broom stick when doing our punching drills.
Just as we punched,it came,%26quot;Wam%26quot;, very quickly you form the habit to tense your abdomen when delivering a punch.
Reply:Bend your knees slightly
Let your weight sink into your hips and legs
Relax and shift your hips when you throw
At point of strike, grab the ground with your feet/toes and push off with your back leg while making sure you stay low, in fact you should sink a little more.
Reply:It%26#039;s an ability that you need to train, there are exorcises to help with your rooting. Most of them weird. Go learn Wing Chun kung fu and you will get a very good grasp of rooting quickly as that is how the art usually is introduced. Rooting, and meditation are among the first things you learn.
Reply:Drop your weight and grab the floor with your toes, even if you%26#039;re wearing shoes.
White Teeth
Sunday, April 26, 2009
Does Ninjitsu teach Dim Mak?
I heard that ninjitsu teaches dim mak. Is that tru?
What other Martial Arts styles teach dim mak?
Does Ninjitsu teach Dim Mak?
Ninjitsu is a dead art. Several Shaolin %26amp; Okinawan styles put a lot of emphasis on Dim Mak.
Reply:no hapkido or kang du kwan
Reply:Hapkido does not teach this bogus idea. I have been in Hapkido for 3 years so don%26#039;t go there....
Dim mak is a myth and an attempt to gain %26quot;customers%26quot; through tricking people. If anything it is preassure point fighting which is next to worthless. I have never seen in my 15 years of martial arts, preassure point fighting work.... ever... period. Ninjitsu is about the same thing.... a joke. The last person to teach it will take it to the grave with him in the mountains of Japan. Its an idea now, not an art.
Dillman is a fraud and an idiot for making people he can do that no touch knock out thing. Dim mak and Dillman only work on their clones and cult members... its BS
Reply:well yes and no. im sure there are true ninja out there, but they dont have dojos and take students for money like most martial arts. but im sure there are schools out there that teach ninjitsu technique. as for the %26quot;death touch%26quot;? nope, youll be hard pressed to find a ninja master who wants to teach that to you without DECADES of dedication
Reply:I don%26#039;t think so. Ninjas used tools %26amp; stealth. The original ninjas used hand to hand as a last resort. They were assassins, hit men. They stealthed their way in, used whatever tool necessary to do the job including sword, poison tipped shrikuns, poison, hooks and a number of other nasties. They would not take a chance on a hand to hand show down and raise everyones attention. Now they might have progressed in the latter century.
Now, I also disagree with Hood_12. I have learned from Mr Dillman and bought my learning back to Texas and tried them on laypersons, my students without telling them they were getting put to sleep and it worked 80+% of the time. Dim Mak originally came from China to Okinawa them Japan.
Hope this helps.
Char donn
Reply:the %26quot;Dim Mak%26quot; is only useful if you are fighting leprechauns.
Quit believing everything you hear.
Reply:ninjitsu is not dead, but it is certainly hard to find a dojo. i have never heard of ninjitsu teaching the dim mak and i dont think they do.
Reply:Ninjitsu teaches it only when you can fly to the moon and retrieve moon rocks for the temple.
dim mak, and indeed any pressure point fighting methods should only be used as an esoteric knowledge. they are not applicable in reality, but only as curios to add to your current knowledge of the body-mind mysteries.
real fighting doesnt have people standing still. so use it at your peril. pressure points are better used for healing than hurting.
Reply:No. Honestly if Dim Mak did exist it is almost gone today. There are those who claim to teach it, but most of them have been discredited at frauds. There are videos on Youtube about this, look up Dim Mak there and you%26#039;ll see them. Anyone in the US or UK claiming to teach it I%26#039;d consider a fake. There is one Tai Chi Chuan teacher in China that might be the real thing, Chris Crudelli confirmed his power on the BBC show %26quot;Mind, Body and Kick *** Moves%26quot; but Dim Mak wasn%26#039;t used against Chris, only smaller more simple Chi moves were.
Reply:Dim Mak is fake and only fools would believe in it. If you actually pay someone money to teach you this then you are crazy.
hey Chardon55 did you say you put your students to sleep without telling them. If you are like that then there is no way you should be a MA teacher. you are taking advantage of people. But really i think you are just making it up to pretend you can do something
Reply:It is included in the legendary teachings. It is, quite simply, the striking of pressure points to do specific, and lasting, damage.
In this dark time, self instruction is the only path.
Most Martial students are never exposed to the medical side of the arts. And it is in the study of biology that some of these secrets reveal themselves.
Buy an anatomy book.
new year lily
What other Martial Arts styles teach dim mak?
Does Ninjitsu teach Dim Mak?
Ninjitsu is a dead art. Several Shaolin %26amp; Okinawan styles put a lot of emphasis on Dim Mak.
Reply:no hapkido or kang du kwan
Reply:Hapkido does not teach this bogus idea. I have been in Hapkido for 3 years so don%26#039;t go there....
Dim mak is a myth and an attempt to gain %26quot;customers%26quot; through tricking people. If anything it is preassure point fighting which is next to worthless. I have never seen in my 15 years of martial arts, preassure point fighting work.... ever... period. Ninjitsu is about the same thing.... a joke. The last person to teach it will take it to the grave with him in the mountains of Japan. Its an idea now, not an art.
Dillman is a fraud and an idiot for making people he can do that no touch knock out thing. Dim mak and Dillman only work on their clones and cult members... its BS
Reply:well yes and no. im sure there are true ninja out there, but they dont have dojos and take students for money like most martial arts. but im sure there are schools out there that teach ninjitsu technique. as for the %26quot;death touch%26quot;? nope, youll be hard pressed to find a ninja master who wants to teach that to you without DECADES of dedication
Reply:I don%26#039;t think so. Ninjas used tools %26amp; stealth. The original ninjas used hand to hand as a last resort. They were assassins, hit men. They stealthed their way in, used whatever tool necessary to do the job including sword, poison tipped shrikuns, poison, hooks and a number of other nasties. They would not take a chance on a hand to hand show down and raise everyones attention. Now they might have progressed in the latter century.
Now, I also disagree with Hood_12. I have learned from Mr Dillman and bought my learning back to Texas and tried them on laypersons, my students without telling them they were getting put to sleep and it worked 80+% of the time. Dim Mak originally came from China to Okinawa them Japan.
Hope this helps.
Char donn
Reply:the %26quot;Dim Mak%26quot; is only useful if you are fighting leprechauns.
Quit believing everything you hear.
Reply:ninjitsu is not dead, but it is certainly hard to find a dojo. i have never heard of ninjitsu teaching the dim mak and i dont think they do.
Reply:Ninjitsu teaches it only when you can fly to the moon and retrieve moon rocks for the temple.
dim mak, and indeed any pressure point fighting methods should only be used as an esoteric knowledge. they are not applicable in reality, but only as curios to add to your current knowledge of the body-mind mysteries.
real fighting doesnt have people standing still. so use it at your peril. pressure points are better used for healing than hurting.
Reply:No. Honestly if Dim Mak did exist it is almost gone today. There are those who claim to teach it, but most of them have been discredited at frauds. There are videos on Youtube about this, look up Dim Mak there and you%26#039;ll see them. Anyone in the US or UK claiming to teach it I%26#039;d consider a fake. There is one Tai Chi Chuan teacher in China that might be the real thing, Chris Crudelli confirmed his power on the BBC show %26quot;Mind, Body and Kick *** Moves%26quot; but Dim Mak wasn%26#039;t used against Chris, only smaller more simple Chi moves were.
Reply:Dim Mak is fake and only fools would believe in it. If you actually pay someone money to teach you this then you are crazy.
hey Chardon55 did you say you put your students to sleep without telling them. If you are like that then there is no way you should be a MA teacher. you are taking advantage of people. But really i think you are just making it up to pretend you can do something
Reply:It is included in the legendary teachings. It is, quite simply, the striking of pressure points to do specific, and lasting, damage.
In this dark time, self instruction is the only path.
Most Martial students are never exposed to the medical side of the arts. And it is in the study of biology that some of these secrets reveal themselves.
Buy an anatomy book.
new year lily
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