Why can boxers pick a part martial artists so easily?

everybody nowadays see blackbelts as indestructable


i think its bull


yes there are some very good black belt but guess what they come from a good style





people from tkd, karate and win chung are just a joke


i challanged my former tkd classmate who is a balck belt,


i stydy kung fu, (the proper full contact sparring) shuaio jiao and bjj





i owend his *** and the instructor said that hes has not developed yet


what bs





and i see boxers that are very good as they only use techniques that they have drilled million times, they can pick a karate guy out as he will probably be in a crapy stance and have his hands down





if u dont like what i said, im sorry tough ship


ur martial art sucks

Why can boxers pick a part martial artists so easily?
shuaio jiao? You can%26#039;t even spell your own art correctly? Wow, you must be a master. I did Wing Chun (not Win Chung, stupid) for 5 years and it%26#039;s very much an art you can use for self defense. Is it complete? I would have to agree with Bruce Lee and say it%26#039;s lacking in a few key areas. Higher kicks, and of course grappling. I don%26#039;t really see what your point is if you actually have one though. You say boxers pick apart MA%26#039;s? Yet you%26#039;re a martial artist yourself? Either you%26#039;re totally lying or your sensei isnt doing his job. You should first learn respect, and discipline. Then comes the fighting if you%26#039;re worth the time and effort of the sensei. Obviously, your sensei doesn%26#039;t feel his time is very valuable to teach someone as blatently moronic as yourself. You said you study Kung Fu also, did you know that Wing Chun, the art you%26#039;re bashing is Kung Fu?





I%26#039;ll write off this stupid post of yours as a very VERY feeble attempt at getting under peoples skin. I admit, it may have worked had you done more research or even did a freaking spellcheck for gods sake.





If you don%26#039;t like what i said, well. Consider it a learning experience.
Reply:boxers cant pick apart all martial artists, in fact they are scared of being grappled, kicked in the legs, etc. Even a good boxer can get whooped by being taken down and pounded on the ground. Most karate people arent so good but that doesnt mean that there aren%26#039;t any skilled karate practitioners.
Reply:That sounds like a case of McDojo training. I know that a well trained martial artist in any style, will at the very least give as good as they get. I have fought different types of fighters, boxers, martial artists, wrestlers, and brawlers. If you are trained properly, and you train for actual combat, it doesn%26#039;t matter what the other guy claims to be a master of.
Reply:man seriously boxing is only one sport i was aboxer but i hate it ya no its boring doing the same thing grappling is a good way of mixing it up but you need to be good. man iguess you dont know much about martial arts. tkd isnt that good if they only do point sparring
Reply:This goes both ways, My friend started doing Muay Thai coming from karate and after a few lessons he was winding people in sparing, now he has a good record in Muay Thai, as long as the style is more or less able to produce good fighters it all depends on the person





Ofcource more people take boxing and Kickboxing more seriusly because they get payed for it but you always see guys from other styles going on to do really well in other styles
Reply:This again?





And how many thousands of examples of this did you witness? Of course if happens all the time.





Why don%26#039;t you go bother people in the tennis section for a while and tell them badminton people are much faster then them or something?
Reply:If boxers train in wrestling, and are in great shape, they may be able to pick apart a karate-ka. That being said, you%26#039;re comparing apples and oranges. You%26#039;re comparing a top-notch athlete, who competes regularly in ameature (do you know nay boxer who don%26#039;t compete?) or professional bouts, with your average Joe, who wants to pick up some self-defense.


That being said, in the street, Boxing needs to be mixed with a ground form, like Wrestling. (Read Heavyweight Champ Jack Dempsey%26#039;s book written for the Coast Guard self-defense... he successfully melds boxing and wrestling ideas) But, I think boxing/wrestling, and good cardio training, makes a great fighter. (look at WEC%26#039;s Chase Beebe)
Reply:You are right....... to an extent.





Martial arts that don%26#039;t train realistically will produce black belts who can%26#039;t defend themselves, Mcdojos unfurtunately run rampant.





However, I invite you to challenge a kyokushin, enshin, or shidokan karateka, and you%26#039;ll be surprised.





Also, if you have a chance, sparr with a muay thai, or Sanda practitioner.





good luck!
Reply:Well you obviously don%26#039;t know how to spell and you certainly don%26#039;t know what you are talking about. A TKD student-come on tough guy-most people know that TKD is mainly kicking and very little hands so it does not surprise me that you came out on top. I have trained boxers-both amature and pro and yes there are some that can take a karate guy if they get that first punch in and can flurry before the distance is closed and elbows, knees, and finger strikes to the eyes, and other nasty little techniques like ear claps, head butts have an opportunity to be used but I have been in the ring as well as trained people in the ring and most don%26#039;t want to put it to the test.





I would suggest that since you are so skilled and so good you enter just a little regional tournament and put your skills and abilities to the test. I am sure you will be able to find someone that will loan you an extra black-belt that they have in their bag-just wear your jammies and you will be set.





I doubt you have ever seen a real black belt or fought one in any kind of comptition but they are out there for you to prove yourself and what you are saying. Don%26#039;t compare your friends feable abilites and your recent success to anything great about yourself-its not and you certainly prove it in what you say and how you say it. Me-I let my fighting do my talking for me and I have my trophies and belts-where are yours?





P.S. That%26#039;s just some of them-I give most of them away to my students that don%26#039;t compete.
Reply:I am 2 ways about this i agree somewhat and disagree somewhat.His instructors comment he wasnt ready yet is indeed bs.


Sounds like he is from a point tournament orientated club and for you to base your conclusions on that example is also bs.





I have green belts in my dojo who can and have beaten the crap out of boxers .I also have green belts who couldn%26#039;t as yet fight their way out of a wet paper bag and it%26#039;s not because they aren%26#039;t technically ready but not emotionally ready to face the pain involved to win .


They have trouble accepting the idea fighting = pain win or lose.
Reply:Not all schools are equal. It comes down to spirit and training. No mater what the art you have to have the spirit to win. Most boxers have the spirit to win this is why they train. Martial arts students train for varied purposes like fitness, discipline ext. That said my money is on the martial artist who has the spirit to win and trains well no mater the art.
Reply:I think you need to lay off the fighting. You have clearly taken too many shots to the head already.
Reply:because boxers usually train harder and they work on their punching more than anybody else, as a result of that and some of the dynamics of boxing punches, boxers punch better than anyone else, I%26#039;m sorry if you don%26#039;t like that or it doesn%26#039;t agree with what your art says, there have been studies done, its been proven, deal with it.


punches are also the most practical way of knocking someone out, look at mma, or kick boxing or muay thai, and tell me how most people have been knocked out. its by punch not by kick, knee, elbow, or whatever.


so a boxer is better at the most practical way of ending a fight(striking wise, if you add grappling into the mix its a whole different story, a pure striker usually loses to a pure grappler). this is because:


1) boxers train harder and with more live training and so are stronger and better able to apply what they know


2) boxing punches have better mechanics and are thus more powerful than the punches of many other arts(karate, the wing chun family, tkd, etc.)


3) boxers spend much more time working on their punches and so are much better at them (muay thai, savate, etc.)


4)BOXERS DONT LEAVE THEIR HANDS AT THEIR HIPS


5) Boxing is simple, %26#039;Keep it simple stupid%26#039;, the simpler a combat system is the better, the better you will be at the parts it has and less you will have to think about when fighting, thus the easier it will be to apply and you will apply it better. not to mention in a fight its the simple stuff that works, how many times have you seen a spin kick work in a fight? complicated stuff is impossible while your full of adrenaline, and is easy to block/counter/whatever.


this is why against a striking martial artist a boxer USUALLY wins


6) keeping distance is impossible it a fighter will always be able to close to punching range, grappling range whatever, this has been proven so conclusively that most MMA fighters do not consider ranges a valid theory of combat, so the boxer will always be able to punch(because I know some of you will say %26#039;I would just keep him in kicking range%26#039; no you won%26#039;t its impossible)


all styles are NOT equal, no there is no best style, but some are better than others, yes there are more important factors but style IS a factor, and boxing is one of the better ones. I realize thats not party line here, but tough its the case deal with it
Reply:I agree with what you said in theory but I think there is more to it and you miss the point and the reasoning behind such a blaket statement.





I have a big problem with your freaking keyboard and typing skills, please learn to spell well enough for your posts to at least not look like they have been written in secret code.





ask yourself WHY boxers are capable of taking apart most %26quot;black belts%26quot;?





because they train hard and REALISTICALLY under a REALISTIC ruleset.





that is the reason why your %26quot;tkd friend%26quot; lost as well.





also pushing hands or sticking hands is not proper full contact sparring, if you are capable of incorporating it and using it in full contact sparring thats fine, but many cma (chinese martial arts) schools confuse or try to substitute push hands for resistance training with rather disasterous results.





what do you expect his instructor to say? My school doesn%26#039;t train you to fight? of course he will make an excuse.


the average tkd school and martial arts school doesn%26#039;t train realistically. they don%26#039;t train you how to properly apply techniques because they don%26#039;t train with resistance.





boxers train with resistance. if your cma school does then that is good and you should be able to apply what you have learned in a realistic situation.





in theory, a person taking a martial art that is not boxing, should win over a pure boxer. in practice this is not going to be true because the average karate or cma school doesn%26#039;t train realistically.





against one that does, then the boxer will have problems, you should know this if you study bjj as a pure boxer is going to be especially susceptible to grappling.
Reply:I fought a boxer,(a very good one),in my 20%26#039;s to settle a bet.


He tagged me twice %26quot;when I was in his zone%26quot;.


I adjusted,staying %26quot;outside%26quot; his zone delivering kicks to his midsection.


Taking a bit of a risk I moved %26quot;inside%26quot; his zone and ended the fight with a spinning elbow.





He brought %26quot;two%26quot; tools to the fight,I brought %26quot;eight%26quot; and used %26quot;six%26quot;.





As with any %26quot;project%26quot; it is best to bring along the right tools.The job gets done faster and better.





*From one of my old answers*


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...





BIG EDIT!: Look at this guys %26quot;Previous Questions!%26quot;


He is only 14 and has asked over 100 questions on %26quot;Basics!%26quot;,He is full of %26quot;Hot Air%26quot; and has %26quot;No Experence!%26quot;
Reply:cause people dont train that hard doesnt have anything to do with the system
Reply:You ask a question and end it with this %26quot;if u dont like what i said, im sorry tough ship


ur martial art sucks%26quot;





Why bother asking the question in the first place.





According to your statement, all boxers can kick the crap out of a martial artist.





Like the guy%26#039;s instructor said %26quot;he has not yet developed%26quot; probably true and that person should not have his black belt then. That%26#039;s the fault of the instructor.





The student should have looked at himself and try to see if there was any weakness that needed to be worked out.





Also, how many hours do the boxers train compared to the martial artists that they beat? How many are semi or pro boxers with real fight experience? That kind of experience helps develop skills.
Reply:Dude... You%26#039;re 14... If you go around thinking that you are great you will learn the hard way that you are not. Not everyone is what they seem.





I run a fight club but I only allow people over the age of 18 to attend. I am yet to meet someone of your age that can take a hit from a well trained fighter in their 20%26#039;s... If you truly think that you can then maybe you should start going to some bikie bars and pick a fight or something... Obviously you%26#039;ll have to wait outside.
Reply:Oh, I get it you%26#039;re a tough guy. %26quot;Yeah, and this one time at band camp%26quot;. Get over yourself dude. Just because you owned that blackbelt doesn%26#039;t mean your good. There are plenty of schools out there that you pay, you move up in rank. Also get over your, %26quot;my art is better than your art%26quot;, it is the artist that makes the difference. Now maybe you may be a good martial artist or your former classmate may be not very good, but I would bet on a seasoned martial artist over a seasoned boxer any day. You can learn to throw a good punch in a matter of weeks of hard training, but to be a proficient martial artist you need years of training. With that said, maybe the martial artist should have learned just those few techniques to help him. And get really good at it. So he could kick as good as the boxer punches.





Oh and btw Bruce Lee came from wing chun. I guess it was the art not the artist, huh?





So what your saying is that you study kung fu and BJJ and a boxer will kick your butt? Why the pro boxer and anti marital artist stance ? Did you get hit too hard in class tonight?
Reply:OK so what are the rules?. Straight up boxing match? Then you might be right. Or are you talking straight up street style fight. Then try an MMA style fighter or a more competent martial artist and I bet then the pickens wont be so easy then.