ur a student of hapkido and tang so do which are to martial arts thats repuation if suffering since the arrival in the early 90s of mixed martial arts tournements, can i have u honest oppinion on how u think them styles would match up againt styles such as brazilian jiu jitsu, muay thai, sambo, freestyle wrestling, judo which are all combat proven.
lets say that ur opponent and u are physically identical
also would u like to see world class hapkido/tang so do players enter large fight organisations such as ufc or pridefc
when styles fail in mma like tkd kung fu or krav maga the myth sorounding the styles seems to die would u rather keep u style under raps to preserve the myth,
i ask u because u seem to be a very wise man with tonnes of best answers
A question for quicksilver8676!?
well I%26#039;m flattered that you seem to think that I am a %26quot;wise man%26quot; (I%26#039;m more of a wisea**, lol) but I just call it as I see it, no wisdom, simply my opinion, and just because I may lead the way with the most answers doesn%26#039;t mean I%26#039;m right, only that i%26#039;ve been helpful to those who asked the questions, as most anyone else does and just give my opinion on many of the questions here. but there%26#039;re several others here who can answer your question just as easily if not better than I can. My reasononing is to give an opinion as unbiased as possible.
The big truth about Martial Arts is that they are ALL combat proven at one time or another, but several of them like Jujitsu, Judo, freestyle wrestling and such were evolved into sport or competitions, just as Most Martial Arts have been ever since Martial Arts has become a %26quot;business%26quot; and commercialized.
I don%26#039;t think that the Martial arts themselves are suffering due to the increased popularity of Muay Thai and Brazilian Jujitsu or Jujitsu in general because of their heavy emphasis in the MMA competition circuits. because there are schools of these Martial Arts that%26#039;re world wide and continue to flourish due to dedicated people.
but unfortunately many people are (and often will) blindly following the %26quot;popular%26quot; idea just because they have an impressive competetive background and proven themselves and the discipline they study. but I still choose to study the discipliines that I do simply because I don%26#039;t like to follow the croud or the %26quot;popular%26quot; view; and I%26#039;ll still give anyone that studies ANY Martial Art their due respect.
My belief is that it should be a brotherhood (and sisterhood for the ladies who also study Martial Arts). that we should respect each other and the disciplines we study and learn from each other to become better people and better ourselves. Sounds idealistic yes, but that%26#039;s just my feeling about how Martial Arts should be because so many practitioners from many disciplines and backgrounds can and have done it before, but when there are those who have the bad atttiudes it just tears down those bridges that were hard fought to build.
If you look at the match between Matt Hughes and Royce Gracie early last year, now matt only really had Greco Roman wrestling in highschool and college but he was able to adapt and change for the sport, and Royce had his training in Brazilian Jujitsu that his father helped develop, but he was also able to adapt for the changing of the sport. but the fact does remain that Royce was beaten by the better fighter that day, who just happened to be Matt Hughes. now does that say that the Brazilian Jujitsu will suffer greatly? I don%26#039;t think so; and neither will Hapkido, Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwan Do, or any of the other traditional or classic disciplines, because it%26#039;s the stigma of opinion that is the real problem.
Because if you look at several of the bios of many of these mainstream fighters had a classic or traditional martial arts background before they competed in the MMA competitions. (i.e. Anderson Silva: Tae Kwon Do, and Chuck Liddel: Kenpo, just to name a couple.)
these disciplines can match well against other disciplines but as I (and many others have said) will always say that it goes back to the practitioner and how well they have trained in their discipline, it%26#039;s not the discipline itself that loses, but the individual, and therefore the individual must do better next time and train harder to overcome whatever shortcomings they faced before. and there%26#039;s always someone better.
I trained with a Brazilian Jujitsu practitioner recently (the 15th if you%26#039;re reading this much later) which he is a good aquaintance of mine (since he comes to many of the PPV%26#039;s to watch the fights with the rest of the guys in my class) and he nailed me every time with his great set ups and body positioning that he used to put me in a submission technique so I learned quite a bit from him and look forward to training with him again, so that I can become better at my own discipline and share the knowledge of what we%26#039;ve learned with each other.
and the problem with being %26quot;physically identical%26quot; is that theres no one that%26#039;s phisically identical to anyone else, there may be the similarities but we are all different but still are similar in our %26quot;core%26quot; as human beings, just as the Martial Arts are different and similar at the same time.
we may walk, talk, act in different ways, look different, speak different but we all are still the same fundamentally. just as ALL the Martial Arts are based around similar principles just taught differently.
and yes I would like to see more fighters with traditional or classic backgrounds enter in the MMA circuits more, but again these competitions have rules that you must follow in order to compete, whereas EVERY Martial Art has been developed from the beginning to do what%26#039;s necessary to survive an encounter with someone who wants to hurt or kill you, and it means that you do whatever is necessary no matter how dirty the technique is.
and no I don%26#039;t think that just because someone else was the better fighter against someone who studies the same discipline I do with these disciplines that are growing in popularity, doesn%26#039;t mean I%26#039;m going to just turn away from what I%26#039;ve worked for, I%26#039;ll still be just as proud of my Martial Arts heritage, I couldn%26#039;t care less about what anyone else thinks of the Martial Arts that I%26#039;ve studied.
myths are just myths, just like fables, legends, or folk stories: as they%26#039;re passed down and interpreted by different people, they gain a little more of that %26quot;tabloid%26quot; bolstering that only adds to the myth because it%26#039;s only gossip that started out with only a small fraction of truth. even if what has been said is disproved, it%26#039;s still the storytelling that grabbed you in the first place.
my feeling is that all this chest beating about %26quot;what Martial Art is the best%26quot; is just overrated, but then again that%26#039;s what we guys do right do our best to look like idiots sometimes. it%26#039;s in our blood right down to the DNA to show off.
I hope that I%26#039;ve given something of closure to your question, but that%26#039;s just my thoughts and ramblings, good luck dude. :D
Reply:cheers dude, and good luck Report It
Reply:wow that is one long @$$ answer. quicksilver8676 must be really dedicated. Report It
Reply:e-mail him duh
You cant direct questions at people on this forum
Reply:First off you should have e-mailed him.
Second UFC is sport fighting ,they have rules, it%26#039;s not the same as the street.
Third if Quicksilver doesn%26#039;t answer , I%26#039;d be glad to take any questions. I have done some training in tang soo do , and soo bahk do, though my chosen style is kajukenbo kenpo.
Respectfully ,
Ray H
Reply:Well even though I am not the guy you are looking for allow me to retort.
Hapkido and alot of other martial arts do not have competitions. Or many of them that do have competition, they are just Kata competitions that look more like dancersize or Thai-Bo. Krav Maga is not designed to be a fighting style it is a self defence and combat style intended for military and police to disarm and subdue people.
Judo, Sambo, JuJitsu and Wrestling have the benefit of having competitions all over the world so yes more artists from those styles will have fight experience. However, as much fighting experience as I have in Judo that%26#039;s means jack when it comes to MMA. It%26#039;s not Judo and Sambo fighters that are going into MMA and dominating. It%26#039;s college wrestlers or guys who think they are tough getting into amature MMA events. They fight until they lose then when they do they go out and try and learn a bit of thw style of the guy who beat them. Some win more than othes and get scouted to UFC or PRIDE. But 9 out of 10 never go beyound local events.
As for BJJ. It is only popular amongst MMA fighters, because of the gracie family and it is a very basic form of JuJitsu so it is easier to learn and easier to get you black belt. Real Jujitsu takes years. Thats why you here about all these fighters who are BJJ black belts but guys like GSP are still only blue or brown belts in JuJitsu.
Also one thing about fighting is size and rank really don%26#039;t matter. In tournaments they devide us up into weight and rank. But in real life and in the dojo. We don%26#039;t get to train with nor do we get attacked by people our own size or skill.
Oh and other than BJJ, JJ, Muay Thai and Wrestling. You don%26#039;t hear about other styles. Mean while Liddell is a black belt in Kempo Karate but they call him a freestyle fighter with good wrestling skills. And GSP is a black belt in TKD but he only realy used the kick boxing skills he learned and the JuJitsu.
Bottom line is these styles are not better. They are just easier to learn and use in a fight. But clearly the fighters with a long background in other MA styles are coming out on top.
Reply:I think I%26#039;m more interested in how BJJ would hold up against a gorilla in a full MMA bout.
they have already done the %26quot;boxing kangaroo%26quot;. I want to see grappling apes!
Reply:and being wise with a lot of best answers doesnt mean it is correct. it is just that questioners have got the answer they required, for better or worse. there are a lot of good answers coming through this place yet they are not the answers that the questioner wants to here, be it truth or not.
its all perspective, especially here in the martial arts thread. but if you take a look at the religion thread the best answerer there is religious, so people vote for him if they believe, but it doesnt mean it represents reality.
one mans logic is another mans lie. to err is human.
as for mixing one style up against another, you have to eliminate the rules that dictate the terms. you cant take a special forces killer and then say %26quot;ok, but you have to fight submission wrestling only%26quot; or to pit a BJJ fighter against a Muay Thai guy and say %26quot;ok, but you cant grapple, you can only fight stand up%26quot;
any style can only be tested outside the limits of rules, and only then can you test it and the person using it.
Reply:As a general rule, I would say that MMArtists are more well rounded to handle a variety of situations moresoe than the opposite. Having said that, the average person you meet on the street is more than likely not going to be a professional UFC or Pride fighter. In addition, if you%26#039;ve spent any reasonable amount of time training, once you encounter someone on the street you should be able to quickly get a sense of whether or not they are trained. Hapkido and Tang Soo Do can be deadly, but so can some shmuck on the street with a knife. It just depends on the person. No one is invincible, even Tito Ortiz %26amp; Chuck Liddell can be taken out. The octagon is much different than the street.
Reply:MMA is a sport with rules. fighting under MMA rules, an MMA fighter will have the advantage since that is how he trains. Without rules, a traditionally trained Martial Artist will have the advantage due to a better mindset.
Saturday, November 14, 2009
Naruto - Hyuuga Fighting-style?
What I was wondering about the fighting style is if it was inspired by an real-world martial arts? And if so, what those are.
I%26#039;m aware that the Hyuuga%26#039;s style is called %26quot;Gentle Fist%26quot; but I was curious about any possible influences Mr. Kishimoto might have had when creating it. Thanks for any responses!
Naruto - Hyuuga Fighting-style?
well ive always thought that it was influenced by dim mak or the %26quot;death touch%26quot; you know that lil thing where you hit a certain pressure point on the body and some can be fatal. dim mak doesnt require much striking power. wat it does require is the knowlegde of the actual points themselves. im pretty sure thats what its from. soft hits but to certain points which can be deadly.
Reply:check online, i have an art book that has a little bit into that but nothing much.... P.S: GO NARUTO XD
Reply:yes it is true because in asia in chania actcully ther is a hidden temple in the woods were monks train there shalion there shalion is to good so they can fly chalkara is kind of ture you have to focus on it you focus on you strenght today people cant because shalion was create long timr ago hidden
Reply:It%26#039;s probably based on a number of chinese martial arts and focused into something more directly related to pressure points. In eastern philosophies and numerous martial arts, chakra as it%26#039;s called in the show is a prominent factor, though usually called by different names. You%26#039;ve not doubt heard of Ki, Qi, Chi - these are all the same basic principle as the chakra that is used as a basis for arts in the show. As in the show, it is believed to be housed in the stomach, and has %26#039;gates%26#039; or %26#039;points%26#039; that house each type of chakra. I believe, if I remember correctly, there are 8 or 9 in all, starting from the top of the head down to the hips and waist area.
My guess is that it was highly inspired by open handed styles of kung fu and wing chun, then combined with the idea of drastic pressure point theory. From there, he could have applied it to the chakra concept.
Reply:Naruto? Oh, yes, the ninjas? My young family member watches that show. The anime blondie with blue eyes?
I saw it once, too.
Chakra is suposed to be like Chi, a real power that we all have.
The spells and stuff, I wouldn%26#039;t know. All the hand movements I think are like jut fancy add-ons. Of course, they are ninjas, so they are probably based on...ninjas.
Reply:Well I guess akido is most like it or wing chung. Maybe somewhat mantis kung-fu?
Reply:Hmm, interesting question. Of course the %26quot;Hyuuga style%26quot; is fictional, as the Naruto series extrapolates with superhuman levels of Chi (they call it Chakra) but there is some basis for the belief that one can disable an opponent by stopping their flow of Chi. Consider some of the moves of Shoulin Chin Na, where blows are aimed to disable/kill an opponent by hitting vital points. These are real moves, and can do just that.
Some blows can stop the blood flow from nourishing the brain, meaning unconsciousness and even death.
Also, you have probably heard of the Dim Mak, which is also a similar way of disabling the opponent by injuring their Chi %26quot;channels%26quot; and causing death. This is also a true technique, but is not really easy to learn or taught to just anyone.
These techniques are probably the basis of the fictional %26quot;Hyuuga soft palm technique%26quot; although nobody can see actual chi flow such as the characters on %26quot;Naruto%26quot;.
I%26#039;m aware that the Hyuuga%26#039;s style is called %26quot;Gentle Fist%26quot; but I was curious about any possible influences Mr. Kishimoto might have had when creating it. Thanks for any responses!
Naruto - Hyuuga Fighting-style?
well ive always thought that it was influenced by dim mak or the %26quot;death touch%26quot; you know that lil thing where you hit a certain pressure point on the body and some can be fatal. dim mak doesnt require much striking power. wat it does require is the knowlegde of the actual points themselves. im pretty sure thats what its from. soft hits but to certain points which can be deadly.
Reply:check online, i have an art book that has a little bit into that but nothing much.... P.S: GO NARUTO XD
Reply:yes it is true because in asia in chania actcully ther is a hidden temple in the woods were monks train there shalion there shalion is to good so they can fly chalkara is kind of ture you have to focus on it you focus on you strenght today people cant because shalion was create long timr ago hidden
Reply:It%26#039;s probably based on a number of chinese martial arts and focused into something more directly related to pressure points. In eastern philosophies and numerous martial arts, chakra as it%26#039;s called in the show is a prominent factor, though usually called by different names. You%26#039;ve not doubt heard of Ki, Qi, Chi - these are all the same basic principle as the chakra that is used as a basis for arts in the show. As in the show, it is believed to be housed in the stomach, and has %26#039;gates%26#039; or %26#039;points%26#039; that house each type of chakra. I believe, if I remember correctly, there are 8 or 9 in all, starting from the top of the head down to the hips and waist area.
My guess is that it was highly inspired by open handed styles of kung fu and wing chun, then combined with the idea of drastic pressure point theory. From there, he could have applied it to the chakra concept.
Reply:Naruto? Oh, yes, the ninjas? My young family member watches that show. The anime blondie with blue eyes?
I saw it once, too.
Chakra is suposed to be like Chi, a real power that we all have.
The spells and stuff, I wouldn%26#039;t know. All the hand movements I think are like jut fancy add-ons. Of course, they are ninjas, so they are probably based on...ninjas.
Reply:Well I guess akido is most like it or wing chung. Maybe somewhat mantis kung-fu?
Reply:Hmm, interesting question. Of course the %26quot;Hyuuga style%26quot; is fictional, as the Naruto series extrapolates with superhuman levels of Chi (they call it Chakra) but there is some basis for the belief that one can disable an opponent by stopping their flow of Chi. Consider some of the moves of Shoulin Chin Na, where blows are aimed to disable/kill an opponent by hitting vital points. These are real moves, and can do just that.
Some blows can stop the blood flow from nourishing the brain, meaning unconsciousness and even death.
Also, you have probably heard of the Dim Mak, which is also a similar way of disabling the opponent by injuring their Chi %26quot;channels%26quot; and causing death. This is also a true technique, but is not really easy to learn or taught to just anyone.
These techniques are probably the basis of the fictional %26quot;Hyuuga soft palm technique%26quot; although nobody can see actual chi flow such as the characters on %26quot;Naruto%26quot;.
Good practial style?
Hey, I want to learn martial arts. I am 14 turning 15 in autum. I%26#039;m 5%26#039;9 and I%26#039;m flexible. I have a more balanced body type. If I can%26#039;t overpower my opponent I%26#039;m typically faster and if I can%26#039;t out run my opponent I can typically outpower them. My reflexes are kinda slow, but I can take a hit. I think my superb defense is a good quality of mine. I%26#039;m not sure if this a special ability, but when I fight, time seems to slow down for me. It%26#039;s not much, but I am able to think clearly and anticipated my opponents techniques. I want take a martial art that is balanced with hands and feet along with power and speed. In addition to it I want an art that is practical in streetfights and the style regularly teaches sceanarios where it is closed spaces and the enemy fights very constrictively. I was in a Mcdojo when I was little and all scenarios, the opponent attacked loosely. I know this is pushing it, but I require a dojo that has good quality, yet isn%26#039;t to expensive- money is stiff here, Thanks
Good practial style?
Recommended practical styles:
for standup: muay thai, kyokushen, shidokan karate, san shou, kickboxing.
for grappling: judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, sambo.
Learn at least one standup and one grappling martial art, and you%26#039;ll be well prepared.
Reply:Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is prob the most practical. It%26#039;s a combat style, not a formal martial art. Or if you can find MMA (mixed martial arts). Jeet Kune Do is also very practical.
Kickboxing is very practical and toughens you up quite a bit, but on the street, you have to know grappling. No traditional style will teach you to fight as well as BJJ in my opinion.
Reply:If you%26#039;re interested in Military type styles then I recommend Krav Maga, quite good, simple direct and battle tested and proven.
For something more traditional personally I%26#039;d go with Wing Chun as this seems to cover everything that you have mentioned, a more %26quot;modernised%26quot; version of Wing Chun is JKD, essentially it%26#039;s the same thing though.
Learning some grappling may help though if you learn Wing Chun, JKD or Krav Maga from a decent teacher they should teach you some ground fighting too and Wing Chun and JKD are both excellent at standing grappling which in my opinion is greatly overlooked by arts that focus on the ground game. Krav from what I understand doesn%26#039;t like staying in contact.
If I were you as you are quite young start with Wing Chun to get a good grounding in your skills, try and stay away from typical Hong Kong styles if you can, after you have become reasonably proficient in Wing Chun (2 years of training, and make sure you actually train or the stuff won%26#039;t work) then think about looking at other things to include such as JKD or Krav. All of these 3 arts have very similar ideas and principals so should go well together, but I believe that a good grounding in traditional Wing Chun will make you more ready for them in the long run, you may even find that you%26#039;re Wing Chun will be enough without the other styles, I personally like the training methods of Krav but don%26#039;t like the techniques as much as Wing Chun so this is why I train both.
Reply:krav maga is the best of both worlds, it teaches you worst case scenarios where the guy has the knife or gun in your face not in his pants across the street. also it teaches you ground work where you are on the bottom and he is on top. it is very practical and is used by the israeli army, it has become more widely known and is very very practical. it is a no nonsense self-defense system. there are some great krav maga demonstration videos on youtube that you should look into its all very quick and powerful.
Reply:American Kempo is what your looking for bro. Not to say you should only look into that. But it%26#039;s good in the street and its what the marines use. I just started taking classes and I’m
I’m learning from a ret. sergeant from the marines. It%26#039;s down and dirty, it%26#039;s not what looks good, it%26#039;s just what works. Make sure when you find a school it%26#039;s not watered down crap that’s flashy like so many of the Americanized tae kwon do schools. I%26#039;ve tryed lots of diffrent styles and seen my fair share of Olympic style or flash fu schools. And finding real schools can sometimes be hard. Keep your nose to the grind and look for serious %26quot;self defense style%26quot; schools that teach kempo, san soo kung fu, or jeet kune doe. It should be a practical way to get going on the right track.
Reply:Try kajukenbo or CHA 3 kenpo. Do some research on any style before you start though.
Good practial style?
Recommended practical styles:
for standup: muay thai, kyokushen, shidokan karate, san shou, kickboxing.
for grappling: judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, sambo.
Learn at least one standup and one grappling martial art, and you%26#039;ll be well prepared.
Reply:Brazilian Jiu-jitsu is prob the most practical. It%26#039;s a combat style, not a formal martial art. Or if you can find MMA (mixed martial arts). Jeet Kune Do is also very practical.
Kickboxing is very practical and toughens you up quite a bit, but on the street, you have to know grappling. No traditional style will teach you to fight as well as BJJ in my opinion.
Reply:If you%26#039;re interested in Military type styles then I recommend Krav Maga, quite good, simple direct and battle tested and proven.
For something more traditional personally I%26#039;d go with Wing Chun as this seems to cover everything that you have mentioned, a more %26quot;modernised%26quot; version of Wing Chun is JKD, essentially it%26#039;s the same thing though.
Learning some grappling may help though if you learn Wing Chun, JKD or Krav Maga from a decent teacher they should teach you some ground fighting too and Wing Chun and JKD are both excellent at standing grappling which in my opinion is greatly overlooked by arts that focus on the ground game. Krav from what I understand doesn%26#039;t like staying in contact.
If I were you as you are quite young start with Wing Chun to get a good grounding in your skills, try and stay away from typical Hong Kong styles if you can, after you have become reasonably proficient in Wing Chun (2 years of training, and make sure you actually train or the stuff won%26#039;t work) then think about looking at other things to include such as JKD or Krav. All of these 3 arts have very similar ideas and principals so should go well together, but I believe that a good grounding in traditional Wing Chun will make you more ready for them in the long run, you may even find that you%26#039;re Wing Chun will be enough without the other styles, I personally like the training methods of Krav but don%26#039;t like the techniques as much as Wing Chun so this is why I train both.
Reply:krav maga is the best of both worlds, it teaches you worst case scenarios where the guy has the knife or gun in your face not in his pants across the street. also it teaches you ground work where you are on the bottom and he is on top. it is very practical and is used by the israeli army, it has become more widely known and is very very practical. it is a no nonsense self-defense system. there are some great krav maga demonstration videos on youtube that you should look into its all very quick and powerful.
Reply:American Kempo is what your looking for bro. Not to say you should only look into that. But it%26#039;s good in the street and its what the marines use. I just started taking classes and I’m
I’m learning from a ret. sergeant from the marines. It%26#039;s down and dirty, it%26#039;s not what looks good, it%26#039;s just what works. Make sure when you find a school it%26#039;s not watered down crap that’s flashy like so many of the Americanized tae kwon do schools. I%26#039;ve tryed lots of diffrent styles and seen my fair share of Olympic style or flash fu schools. And finding real schools can sometimes be hard. Keep your nose to the grind and look for serious %26quot;self defense style%26quot; schools that teach kempo, san soo kung fu, or jeet kune doe. It should be a practical way to get going on the right track.
Reply:Try kajukenbo or CHA 3 kenpo. Do some research on any style before you start though.
Which kung-fu/wushu would suit me best?
I would like something that moves along at the learner%26#039;s pace, fast, agile, and a beautiful art that is also effective.
As well as something that incorporates weapons a lot and as its own and not using another separate style (karate does more kedno than an actual karate sword style for example... or so ive observed). Also an art that will make me ponder its philosophies such as ninjutsu and shao-lin kung-fu.
im going to say it now that i LOVED crouching tiger-hidden dragon and am curious about the REAL styles that were used in the film.
I love all weapons to absolutely no end and want to learn how to properly control them with finesse and effect. Oh. Also something that takes a long time to master with many many many aspects/secrets to the art to keep me learning and growing for a looooong time (i learn martial arts REALLY fkn fast).
so again i ask. what fighting style would be best for a determined, fast, not so strong, philosophical kinda person that loves any/all weapons to no end.
Which kung-fu/wushu would suit me best?
Southern Shaolin 5 animal style.
7 Star Praying Mantis
Wing Chun
Each of these arts are no nonsense styles of kung fu. They each feature weapons training although Wing Chun only utilizes two - the staff and butterfly swords.
Reply:Hung Gar Kung Fu! It covers all the things you mention and has amazing self defense applications... Good luck!
Reply:if your a sissy take wushu, its like dancing.
Reply:you should take ballet.
Reply:Since you specified an art that incorporates empty hand and weapons style. I would have to suggest Wing Chun. Though my exposure to this art is superficial and diluted. I have noted that that the real art incorporates empty hand techniques and weapon techniques(namely the dual butterfly swords) to a degree that helps to develop a practical self defense system.
Reply:I moved to China to study martial arts and have studied everything from shaolin preying mantis, ba ji quan, ba gu zhang, tai ji quan to now xing yi quan. I myself was as confused as the next man about what real martial arts meant and is. Thankfully in my pusuit and determination i have been blessed with having a good xing yi teacher here in China. Traditionally the 3 internal arts xing yi, ba gua and tai ji are studied in that order. Theory is same for all so once studied priciples of one its easy to apply to others. Only everyday practice will make one grow, that and a capable teacher...Especially considering this is internal training. Can be harmful to your body if done wrong. I have testimony to that. Anyway i would suggest study xing yi, if you can find a good teacher if not drop everything like i did, come to china teach english and study here.
I am currently designing a webpage for Changchun Traditional Chinese Martial Arts School. Its in working but take a look for more info its at www.wushu.coolpage.biz any other questions let me know.
Reply:Based on your description, some of the best styles to choose from would be Shaolin kung fu (either Southern or Northern style), Hung Gar (aka. Hung Ga, or Hung Kuen), or even Wudang kung fu, which usu. includes styles like BaGuaZhang, XingYiQuan, and TaiJiQuan...
Oh, and as far as I could gather, none of the stars of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon have had any formal martial arts training (Sorry). Although the story indicated the primary style was from Wudang (sometimes refered to as Wu Tang), the film%26#039;s Fight Choreographer was Yuen Woo Ping, who was %26quot;schooled in the art of Peking Opera and Kung Fu by his highly regarded father, Yuen Siu Tin%26quot;. So, chances are good, there is at least some Wudang style in the fights but, I couldn%26#039;t say how much.
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As well as something that incorporates weapons a lot and as its own and not using another separate style (karate does more kedno than an actual karate sword style for example... or so ive observed). Also an art that will make me ponder its philosophies such as ninjutsu and shao-lin kung-fu.
im going to say it now that i LOVED crouching tiger-hidden dragon and am curious about the REAL styles that were used in the film.
I love all weapons to absolutely no end and want to learn how to properly control them with finesse and effect. Oh. Also something that takes a long time to master with many many many aspects/secrets to the art to keep me learning and growing for a looooong time (i learn martial arts REALLY fkn fast).
so again i ask. what fighting style would be best for a determined, fast, not so strong, philosophical kinda person that loves any/all weapons to no end.
Which kung-fu/wushu would suit me best?
Southern Shaolin 5 animal style.
7 Star Praying Mantis
Wing Chun
Each of these arts are no nonsense styles of kung fu. They each feature weapons training although Wing Chun only utilizes two - the staff and butterfly swords.
Reply:Hung Gar Kung Fu! It covers all the things you mention and has amazing self defense applications... Good luck!
Reply:if your a sissy take wushu, its like dancing.
Reply:you should take ballet.
Reply:Since you specified an art that incorporates empty hand and weapons style. I would have to suggest Wing Chun. Though my exposure to this art is superficial and diluted. I have noted that that the real art incorporates empty hand techniques and weapon techniques(namely the dual butterfly swords) to a degree that helps to develop a practical self defense system.
Reply:I moved to China to study martial arts and have studied everything from shaolin preying mantis, ba ji quan, ba gu zhang, tai ji quan to now xing yi quan. I myself was as confused as the next man about what real martial arts meant and is. Thankfully in my pusuit and determination i have been blessed with having a good xing yi teacher here in China. Traditionally the 3 internal arts xing yi, ba gua and tai ji are studied in that order. Theory is same for all so once studied priciples of one its easy to apply to others. Only everyday practice will make one grow, that and a capable teacher...Especially considering this is internal training. Can be harmful to your body if done wrong. I have testimony to that. Anyway i would suggest study xing yi, if you can find a good teacher if not drop everything like i did, come to china teach english and study here.
I am currently designing a webpage for Changchun Traditional Chinese Martial Arts School. Its in working but take a look for more info its at www.wushu.coolpage.biz any other questions let me know.
Reply:Based on your description, some of the best styles to choose from would be Shaolin kung fu (either Southern or Northern style), Hung Gar (aka. Hung Ga, or Hung Kuen), or even Wudang kung fu, which usu. includes styles like BaGuaZhang, XingYiQuan, and TaiJiQuan...
Oh, and as far as I could gather, none of the stars of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon have had any formal martial arts training (Sorry). Although the story indicated the primary style was from Wudang (sometimes refered to as Wu Tang), the film%26#039;s Fight Choreographer was Yuen Woo Ping, who was %26quot;schooled in the art of Peking Opera and Kung Fu by his highly regarded father, Yuen Siu Tin%26quot;. So, chances are good, there is at least some Wudang style in the fights but, I couldn%26#039;t say how much.
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Who is aware of western weapon arts?
Guys I notice very little interest in the fighting arts of Europe. Such as the masters like Talhoffer, Fiore, Silver and the rapier masters.
Hollywood educates everyone that oriental martial artists have all the skill whereas knights are always seen as clumsy guys wielding huge heavy swords and no skill.
In reality Asia was actually a pretty peaceful region compared to Europe.Countries there could go hundreds of years without a major shift in power.
In Europe people were crossing borders every week for a fight.
The whole reason we ended up with guns was a constant striving to develope the greatest fighting advantages possible just to survive.
Our weapons were actually lighter than asian weapons(mainly because europe had much better steel) and the guys using them had to be able to do everything up to and including fencing bare bodied.
Which is as fast as any fighting style there is.
So what is this mystique surrounding the oriental arts?
Who is aware of western weapon arts?
Actually, before Bruce Lee became a household word, Hollywood was fully into the western weapons arts with all the Pirate and Swashbuckler movies starring Errol Flynn and company. But I guess the audience became bored of seeing the same thing repeatedly and took a shine to the more exotic oriental weapons arts when the kung fu mania began in the 70s.
Reply:There%26#039;s more to martial arts than just fighting effectiveness.
I think that people are interested in the %26#039;art%26#039; as much as the fighting. In eastern fighting arts there is a philisophical side to it that I think is interesting to a lot of people.
That said you do bring up some interesting points. However not all Europeans ran around in tights sporting rapiers. Its highly dependent on time period and place. The highland Scots for example prefered a much heavier sword, the claymore.
Actually rapiers only became fashionable AFTER the invention of guns because guns spelt the end to armor. A rapier is great in a gentleman%26#039;s duel but not as effective against heavy armor.
The use of dueling swords such as the rapier did evolve into the modern sport of fencing and its still an Olympic event for those who are interested in that.
Reply:Western styles did not direct the skills towards personal self defense, rather keeping their skills in the old periods only to Royalty and the elite. This made for a differing common belief is all.
Hollywood educates everyone that oriental martial artists have all the skill whereas knights are always seen as clumsy guys wielding huge heavy swords and no skill.
In reality Asia was actually a pretty peaceful region compared to Europe.Countries there could go hundreds of years without a major shift in power.
In Europe people were crossing borders every week for a fight.
The whole reason we ended up with guns was a constant striving to develope the greatest fighting advantages possible just to survive.
Our weapons were actually lighter than asian weapons(mainly because europe had much better steel) and the guys using them had to be able to do everything up to and including fencing bare bodied.
Which is as fast as any fighting style there is.
So what is this mystique surrounding the oriental arts?
Who is aware of western weapon arts?
Actually, before Bruce Lee became a household word, Hollywood was fully into the western weapons arts with all the Pirate and Swashbuckler movies starring Errol Flynn and company. But I guess the audience became bored of seeing the same thing repeatedly and took a shine to the more exotic oriental weapons arts when the kung fu mania began in the 70s.
Reply:There%26#039;s more to martial arts than just fighting effectiveness.
I think that people are interested in the %26#039;art%26#039; as much as the fighting. In eastern fighting arts there is a philisophical side to it that I think is interesting to a lot of people.
That said you do bring up some interesting points. However not all Europeans ran around in tights sporting rapiers. Its highly dependent on time period and place. The highland Scots for example prefered a much heavier sword, the claymore.
Actually rapiers only became fashionable AFTER the invention of guns because guns spelt the end to armor. A rapier is great in a gentleman%26#039;s duel but not as effective against heavy armor.
The use of dueling swords such as the rapier did evolve into the modern sport of fencing and its still an Olympic event for those who are interested in that.
Reply:Western styles did not direct the skills towards personal self defense, rather keeping their skills in the old periods only to Royalty and the elite. This made for a differing common belief is all.
For Jackie Chan Movie Fans, and/or Fans of the Music of Tangerine Dream!!!?
I%26#039;ve asked this before, months ago; didn%26#039;t get a good answer for it, so I thought I%26#039;d try it again. As many old-school martial arts movie fans know, the background music for these films, is a lot of times, sampled from popular U.S. films; I%26#039;ve heard familiar themes in these chop socky flicks, from stateside films, like %26quot;Rocky%26quot;, %26quot;Carrie%26quot;, %26quot;Superman%26quot;, and several others...
In Jackie Chan%26#039;s 1978 action/comedy %26quot;Snake in the Eagle%26#039;s Shadow%26quot;, 1 of the familiar themes in the film, is from Mel Brook%26#039;s film, %26quot;Silent Movie%26quot;; however, in another part of the film, where Jackie%26#039;s character goes out in an empty courtyard, and finds chalk-mark footsteps, laid out in sequence, by an old martial arts master, trying to teach Jackie his style of kung fu, the background music, showing Jackie working out the footsteps, is definitely a familair piece of music by the synthesizer progressive rock band, Tangerine Dream...
...would anyone be able to tell me what the name of that piece of music is???
For Jackie Chan Movie Fans, and/or Fans of the Music of Tangerine Dream!!!?
...glad you were able to finally find out what that musical composition was; in fact, you%26#039;re absolutely right, about the movie music samplings used in those old kung fu flicks. Every once in a while, while watching them, I get that distinct sense of de-ja-vu, like %26#039;where have I heard that music before?%26#039;...
...anyways, there%26#039;s nothing like the one-two punch of Jackie Chan%26#039;s 1978 chop socky action comedy, %26quot;Snake in the Eagle%26#039;s Shadow%26quot;, and it%26#039;s co-companion film, the first %26quot;Drunken Master%26quot;, not only for the initiation of what would soon be Jackie Chan%26#039;s trademark slapstick martial arts action/comedy style, but also for the breath-taking, eye-opening, jaw-dropping and outstandingly choreorgraphed, almost ballet-like martial arts action and stunt work...a fine tribute to the early work of martial arts director/choreographer Yuen Woo-Ping, who would much later, be called upon for something much more substantially high-profile, namely the Warshaski brothers, and their %26quot;Matrix%26quot; trilogy...
In Jackie Chan%26#039;s 1978 action/comedy %26quot;Snake in the Eagle%26#039;s Shadow%26quot;, 1 of the familiar themes in the film, is from Mel Brook%26#039;s film, %26quot;Silent Movie%26quot;; however, in another part of the film, where Jackie%26#039;s character goes out in an empty courtyard, and finds chalk-mark footsteps, laid out in sequence, by an old martial arts master, trying to teach Jackie his style of kung fu, the background music, showing Jackie working out the footsteps, is definitely a familair piece of music by the synthesizer progressive rock band, Tangerine Dream...
...would anyone be able to tell me what the name of that piece of music is???
For Jackie Chan Movie Fans, and/or Fans of the Music of Tangerine Dream!!!?
...glad you were able to finally find out what that musical composition was; in fact, you%26#039;re absolutely right, about the movie music samplings used in those old kung fu flicks. Every once in a while, while watching them, I get that distinct sense of de-ja-vu, like %26#039;where have I heard that music before?%26#039;...
...anyways, there%26#039;s nothing like the one-two punch of Jackie Chan%26#039;s 1978 chop socky action comedy, %26quot;Snake in the Eagle%26#039;s Shadow%26quot;, and it%26#039;s co-companion film, the first %26quot;Drunken Master%26quot;, not only for the initiation of what would soon be Jackie Chan%26#039;s trademark slapstick martial arts action/comedy style, but also for the breath-taking, eye-opening, jaw-dropping and outstandingly choreorgraphed, almost ballet-like martial arts action and stunt work...a fine tribute to the early work of martial arts director/choreographer Yuen Woo-Ping, who would much later, be called upon for something much more substantially high-profile, namely the Warshaski brothers, and their %26quot;Matrix%26quot; trilogy...
Which fighting style should I try?
I am going on 25-years old %26amp; I am thinking about trying martial arts again for the third time. I tried it when I was 14, then when I was 19, now at almost at age 25, I am thinking of doing it again. But I really don%26#039;t wanna waste my money or time. When I was 14, I tried Jeet-Kune-Do. Then at 19, I tried Chinese Kung-Fu. I%26#039;m a life long Bruce Lee fan. Those styles worked for him, but not for me cause I learned nothing from either style. I am not really a physical person. I%26#039;ve always been a big guy and kinda on the chubby side. Not so much more now though, but I am still big. So if I get back into martial arts, what kind of school should I go to? And does martial arts really work in fist fights or is it all for show? Cause most fights I see are guys laying on the ground, wrestling. It seems like UFC ground fighting is the best style out there.
Which fighting style should I try?
For striking: muay thai, kickboxing, boxing, sanshou, kyokushin and shidokan karate.
For grappling: judo, brazilian jujitsu, sambo, wrestling.
Jeet Kune do is more a philosophy than a martial art, to discard what%26#039;s useless, and to use what works, you could say it%26#039;s the genesis of modern MMA (mixed martial arts)
%26quot;UFC ground fighting%26quot; is just a mixture of grappling arts, mentioned above. The most common ones nowadays are brazilian jujitsu and wrestling.
I hope this information is useful.
good luck!
Reply:muay thai is great. i train along with jiu-jitsu. any style can work for you, its just you have to be comfortable with it. i have trained in tae kwon do, kung fu, and a little bif of judo, and loved them all. the reason the UFC guys do what they do is because they have to be trained in multiple disciplines. most of them train muay thai, boxing, greco roman wrestling, jiu-jitsu, and judo. they need all those because there is no tell where the fight might go so they have to be prepared to fight from anywhere.
Reply:What styles are available in your town? I would recommend basing your decision not so much on the specific style, but by the school and instructor. Visit a couple of the dojos around so you can actually see if it%26#039;s something you are interested in. Ask a lot of questions and observe how the instructor interacts with his/her students. If you let me know what kinds of schools are near you I can try to help a little more. The UFC ground fighting you%26#039;re talking about is most likely jujitsu. There are also MMA schools, who teach a variety of stand-up and ground fighting techniques. I think it%26#039;s easier to have a base before joining an MMA school, but that also depends on how good the instructor is.
Reply:I would try the internal martial arts such as Tai Chi. The moves are slow but they hide a wealth of strength if you study for long enough. You will develop self confidence as your balance improves dramatically and you will find that your stress level decreases tremendously, which makes you feel calmer in situations where fighting may be necessary. If you are not really a physical person I definitely recommend the internal martial arts. Although street fighting skills may take longer to develop, you will develop other skills that help more in situations where fights may occur. And the physical and mental benefits from the work is amazing. You will very quickly improve your breath control, increase blood flow through the entire body, and generally improve every aspect of your health. You will be able to quickly bring your body to a calm, relaxed state in any circumstance.
Reply:you should try kickboxing,it will increase your physical ability and fit yourself,then you can try capoeira
Reply:i a gree with syntheticmynd , do muay thai , it will increase your skill in martial art and also burn your fat faster ,...
Reply:anything thats effective in a street fight.
Reply:Before you take any style I would look at why you have not learned on two previous occassions. Perhaps your approach to learning was wrong or the instructors while good martial artists may not have been very good instructors. It could be a combination of both and I have found that some people have a problem learning martial arts so your teaching approach has to be modified to teach them or they flounder. That being said shop around and look for a good instructor who can teach, not one that is just a good martial artist. If you can find one that teaches what appeals to you in so far as the type/style of martial art then thats even better.
While the wrestling, grappling styles are very effective keep in mind that they have rules that favor that type of fighting and the fight going to the ground. No kicks or knees to the groin; no eye or finger jabs; no fish hooking or ear clapping or head butts; no elbows to the spine or rabbit punches to the back of the skull. These are all techniques that a skilled, well trained martial artist would apply in a street situation. They are very effective and end the fight before it ever reaches the ground or while a person is trying to get you to the ground. But if you prefer the ground fighting aspects then look for a well organized instructor who posesses the abilty to teach. Visit each school a couple of times and observe who is teaching and watch the classes. Look to see how he handles a student that is struggling with something and if he succeeds in making a negative into a positive. Also look to see if the instructor presents techniques that are appropriate for the skill level of the students. Some techniques are very difficult to learn if you have not learned something else first. Talk to the students afterwards and see if they are happy with the level and quality of the instruction. So shop around and see what is available and if there is a good instructor out there that teaches it. You will be more likely to find them if you take the time and make the extra effort and probably be much happier in the long run and not feel like you wasted your time or money.
Reply:Well, you can try Aikido, since you%26#039;re not really %26quot;physical.%26quot; It seems to be a good style to get into after you%26#039;ve matured a bit too. Now that you%26#039;re 25, you%26#039;ll probably appreciate martial arts more.
Reply:most schools have a MMA night, where you can learn BJJ,boxing,wresting,judo, etc...pretty much everything, check it out.......it will make you a more rounded martial artist, and you will never get bored
Reply:I think all traditional martial arts disciplines are effective and have something positive to teach anyone, but not all discplines will appeal to everyone.
Clearly you have tried two which did not appeal to you at the time you tried them, but these are most definately two discplines that many people may recommend. Thus I would suggest that you should look at what is available in your area and go check them out for yourself. Talk with the instructor/s, observe a few classes, chat with the students, and maybe try a few classes out before committing.
No-one here can really advise you as there are too many variables. I would not agree with your contention tht UFC seems like the best style out there. UFC is certainly popular right now, but that does not mean it is the best, nor does it mean it will be suitable or appealing to you. Equally, I believe most UFC or MMA fighters are from traditional disciplines and the creation of schools which teach MMA concepts strictly for the UFC/MMA is a relatively new things.
Your size, weight, height, gender, body type etc. etc. really should not have any impact on the effectiveness of the discipline you choose. You can learn something from any discipline. You just have to take some time to find the discipline that most appeals to you :)
Good luck!
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
Reply:i would suggest judo. you are big, nd judo focuses on throws which would b a good fit...jiu-jitsu if you want to learn ground moves, these two styles used to be one. Samaria%26#039;s used these arts to throw the enemy to the ground...size is good but technique is more important
Reply:Don%26#039;t try, do it and stick with it, make an effort!
Otherwise get a dog...
Reply:Tae Kwon Do is the Best
Reply:I train in the Doce Pares Filipino Martial arts. Cacoy Canete, Grand Master.Why don%26#039;t you train in Krav Maga? Israeli combat fighting. you can incorporate this style into whatever system you learn.
Which fighting style should I try?
For striking: muay thai, kickboxing, boxing, sanshou, kyokushin and shidokan karate.
For grappling: judo, brazilian jujitsu, sambo, wrestling.
Jeet Kune do is more a philosophy than a martial art, to discard what%26#039;s useless, and to use what works, you could say it%26#039;s the genesis of modern MMA (mixed martial arts)
%26quot;UFC ground fighting%26quot; is just a mixture of grappling arts, mentioned above. The most common ones nowadays are brazilian jujitsu and wrestling.
I hope this information is useful.
good luck!
Reply:muay thai is great. i train along with jiu-jitsu. any style can work for you, its just you have to be comfortable with it. i have trained in tae kwon do, kung fu, and a little bif of judo, and loved them all. the reason the UFC guys do what they do is because they have to be trained in multiple disciplines. most of them train muay thai, boxing, greco roman wrestling, jiu-jitsu, and judo. they need all those because there is no tell where the fight might go so they have to be prepared to fight from anywhere.
Reply:What styles are available in your town? I would recommend basing your decision not so much on the specific style, but by the school and instructor. Visit a couple of the dojos around so you can actually see if it%26#039;s something you are interested in. Ask a lot of questions and observe how the instructor interacts with his/her students. If you let me know what kinds of schools are near you I can try to help a little more. The UFC ground fighting you%26#039;re talking about is most likely jujitsu. There are also MMA schools, who teach a variety of stand-up and ground fighting techniques. I think it%26#039;s easier to have a base before joining an MMA school, but that also depends on how good the instructor is.
Reply:I would try the internal martial arts such as Tai Chi. The moves are slow but they hide a wealth of strength if you study for long enough. You will develop self confidence as your balance improves dramatically and you will find that your stress level decreases tremendously, which makes you feel calmer in situations where fighting may be necessary. If you are not really a physical person I definitely recommend the internal martial arts. Although street fighting skills may take longer to develop, you will develop other skills that help more in situations where fights may occur. And the physical and mental benefits from the work is amazing. You will very quickly improve your breath control, increase blood flow through the entire body, and generally improve every aspect of your health. You will be able to quickly bring your body to a calm, relaxed state in any circumstance.
Reply:you should try kickboxing,it will increase your physical ability and fit yourself,then you can try capoeira
Reply:i a gree with syntheticmynd , do muay thai , it will increase your skill in martial art and also burn your fat faster ,...
Reply:anything thats effective in a street fight.
Reply:Before you take any style I would look at why you have not learned on two previous occassions. Perhaps your approach to learning was wrong or the instructors while good martial artists may not have been very good instructors. It could be a combination of both and I have found that some people have a problem learning martial arts so your teaching approach has to be modified to teach them or they flounder. That being said shop around and look for a good instructor who can teach, not one that is just a good martial artist. If you can find one that teaches what appeals to you in so far as the type/style of martial art then thats even better.
While the wrestling, grappling styles are very effective keep in mind that they have rules that favor that type of fighting and the fight going to the ground. No kicks or knees to the groin; no eye or finger jabs; no fish hooking or ear clapping or head butts; no elbows to the spine or rabbit punches to the back of the skull. These are all techniques that a skilled, well trained martial artist would apply in a street situation. They are very effective and end the fight before it ever reaches the ground or while a person is trying to get you to the ground. But if you prefer the ground fighting aspects then look for a well organized instructor who posesses the abilty to teach. Visit each school a couple of times and observe who is teaching and watch the classes. Look to see how he handles a student that is struggling with something and if he succeeds in making a negative into a positive. Also look to see if the instructor presents techniques that are appropriate for the skill level of the students. Some techniques are very difficult to learn if you have not learned something else first. Talk to the students afterwards and see if they are happy with the level and quality of the instruction. So shop around and see what is available and if there is a good instructor out there that teaches it. You will be more likely to find them if you take the time and make the extra effort and probably be much happier in the long run and not feel like you wasted your time or money.
Reply:Well, you can try Aikido, since you%26#039;re not really %26quot;physical.%26quot; It seems to be a good style to get into after you%26#039;ve matured a bit too. Now that you%26#039;re 25, you%26#039;ll probably appreciate martial arts more.
Reply:most schools have a MMA night, where you can learn BJJ,boxing,wresting,judo, etc...pretty much everything, check it out.......it will make you a more rounded martial artist, and you will never get bored
Reply:I think all traditional martial arts disciplines are effective and have something positive to teach anyone, but not all discplines will appeal to everyone.
Clearly you have tried two which did not appeal to you at the time you tried them, but these are most definately two discplines that many people may recommend. Thus I would suggest that you should look at what is available in your area and go check them out for yourself. Talk with the instructor/s, observe a few classes, chat with the students, and maybe try a few classes out before committing.
No-one here can really advise you as there are too many variables. I would not agree with your contention tht UFC seems like the best style out there. UFC is certainly popular right now, but that does not mean it is the best, nor does it mean it will be suitable or appealing to you. Equally, I believe most UFC or MMA fighters are from traditional disciplines and the creation of schools which teach MMA concepts strictly for the UFC/MMA is a relatively new things.
Your size, weight, height, gender, body type etc. etc. really should not have any impact on the effectiveness of the discipline you choose. You can learn something from any discipline. You just have to take some time to find the discipline that most appeals to you :)
Good luck!
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do
Reply:i would suggest judo. you are big, nd judo focuses on throws which would b a good fit...jiu-jitsu if you want to learn ground moves, these two styles used to be one. Samaria%26#039;s used these arts to throw the enemy to the ground...size is good but technique is more important
Reply:Don%26#039;t try, do it and stick with it, make an effort!
Otherwise get a dog...
Reply:Tae Kwon Do is the Best
Reply:I train in the Doce Pares Filipino Martial arts. Cacoy Canete, Grand Master.Why don%26#039;t you train in Krav Maga? Israeli combat fighting. you can incorporate this style into whatever system you learn.
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